I did not say that "the major factor in inducing health problems is guitar " this is twisting my words...but I pointed to certain particular health problems which is coming out from ergonomically bad "standard" sitting position and another ergonomically bad tendency of playing high tension strings and having high action and loud sound - all these problematic approaches are "standard" and promoted by "academia"nowadays and completely ignored by all kind of "standard" or new age medical practitioners, who (basically all of them who are touching guitar playing subject), instead of offering to guitarists rational, practical ways to avoid those possible injuries and problems are talking about "PROPER" classical guitar sitting position etc. ...
Certainly playing music instrument could be beneficial to the player, but could be not beneficial at all... or else...
I know quite a few who developed different physical problems just by sitting for hours daily... quite a few who developed carpal tunnel... (very likely because of playing "hard instruments" with hard tension strings and high action etc. , I know few who developed different psychological problems, like perfectionism, depression etc.
And this subject is more complicated than simple - guitar playing is good for you or guitar playing is not good for you...
It depends from many other factors, physical, mental, lifestyle choices.
And what kind of guitar playing we are talking about?
to touch strings for few minutes a day and imagine or remember something?
To play a lot of scales?
To perform concerts?
To play mono melody on one string?
To play Chaconne by Bach?
To do something light and simple will certainly will be nice as to come outside and look at the beautiful skies and trees etc.
To do something serious and complicated? - it will be not so easy and will demand a lot of time, effort, will, concentration... it will involve overcoming yourself, patience and support of your family etc.
Is conquering high mountain like Montblanc could be beneficial for ones mental and physical health? - sure!
For anyone? - no way! some folks will die doing it...some will develop different mental and physical problems just because they could attempting this but... not able to do...
Serious guitar playing is not so far from this comparison...
Therefore you probably have to give definition to thing which you mean by guitar playing first.
Then maybe this subject will be more clear.
Now it seems to broad.
And if it is just a way to make fun for yourself? Just touching string and doing something simple and easy for awhile - then sure, - it is beneficial! the same as watching nice movie, having nice conversation, maybe eating nice food...
But probably even just walking in a mountains and breathing fresh air, and seeing beauty and magic of nature will be much more beneficial for one's health...
rather than sitting and playing guitar in dusty room filled with toxic plastics, poisonous metals, devices emitting electromagnetic and other fields and learning by heart (meaningless in all other aspects of one's life) technical exercises and scales.
Or even one will play something nice and meaningful - while it maybe? better than just drinking etc. but maybe in a way that one will change something really bad for health to something just mildly bad... or neutral for one's health
One who want health and activities with health benefits probably should look on all lifestyle and life choices made and possible to make. And if choices he made and making are bad- than guitar is another placebo.
For me? Guitar is a tool. Like brush for painter. It is a possibility to read, to hear through use of my own hands ideas and passions which were expressed by great composers/writers of the past.
I work with it. It is my tool. My knife, my hammer, continuation of my mind and imagination. If I can't play it? - not good, but, OK - then I'll play keyboards...flute...
If I can't play it?
I'll write poems.
But ... benefits for my health? No. Sorry. None.
Back pain for years? (until many years ago I started to play with strap).
Social disconnection? - because I need to spend endless hours and days just learning this craft alone... No sorry. No benefits for my physical health.
But it is greatly beneficial for me as a tool which let me to express myself on international language understood by almost anyone who love music!
And it was a nice way to make living in my life, rather than to do a hard labour or to sit in office for long time.
But is it easy way to make living?
Physical Health beneficial? not much.
Will save from Alzheimer?
It is just something we may love to do.
Therefore I am for playing guitar in any age!
But not because doctor say so: it is healthy for you!
Just because one like it - guitar, music etc.
If one like it - then one should play it.
It will be nice time to spend part of ones life!
By the way - it is just my private opinion.
In no way I am insisting that someone have to share it.
You see it different! Great! Good for you!
and please ignore my opinion.
kavor wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:36 pm
AndreiKrylov wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:08 pm
kavor wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:37 pm
Well, I don't know any instrument that is played while running and most are played in sitting position. The question could be asked: are you more inclined to do sports after 3 hours of playing guitar or after 3 hours watching TV? Or, can you remember more stuff after memorizing long tract of classical music or do you like lose capacity to remember other stuff?
I was trying to cram a lot of stuff into my head recently for a meeting and I just thought, would I be better of with or without playing music?
Health benefits of playing classical guitar (in "standard" position)?
1. Backpain and different related problems.
2. Carpal tunnel and other hand' fingers problems...
3. perfectionism (mental problem)
4. if it is your job - then also other problems - not really reliable way to make living, junk food and bad sleep in travel, constant worry about your health which could affect your performance etc.
But... it is a great hobby... and great instrument for lonely artists to express themselves!
Serious Creative Art could be really beneficial - just look at life of Vincent Van Gogh and many other artists...
Seriously ... there are no health benefits.
But it could be a great joy to do it! and ... sometimes despair too...
and also I think that "role of the memory" is really overvalued in some ways ...
- hard drive have lot more memory nowadays than any of us.
How could we use things... how could we operate and discern and construct different subjects and ideas is much more important than the knowledge/memory of certain amount of facts and events. If our brains could be trained in a old age - then challenging books, videos, audio etc.especially in science and philosophy could make our brains work much more efficient than playing same exercises, scales etc. again and again... what our brains learn because of it? - just mechanical activities related to our hands... do we really train our brains or our bodies this way?
and if we are training certain parts of our bodies, and harming other parts (back for example) is it really so beneficial?
I did it all my life because I love it (sound), I love to use to create my own soundworlds and to express myself and because I made living doing it all my life.
Yes it was beneficial for me because I did (created etc) a lot but for my physical health?
My father never ever played guitar...but in all ways he was much healthier than me in my age
playing different instruments?
I play guitar for 50 years or more,
I played piano ...I play flute...
I had to play accordion (to pass exams in Music college)
I played domras, balalaikas, different folk instruments etc.
But ... I feel cold about them...I just love guitar, lute, flute (wooden).
Was it beneficial to play all of them? For my health???
Well... in some way it was just a waste of my timе...
I am not a doctor, but I think the main culprit is a culture and lifestyle...
Modern civilization is equal for majority to sedentary life...indulging in eating of junkfood... poisoned environment inside and outside of our houses...endless hours spent in traffic jams while breathing exhaust of other cars, unknown effect of many ways of artificial electromagnetic and other radiation which emitted through our bodies etc. etc.
Will playing of classical guitar overcome effects of all those (and many more) things? unlikely...
But ...placebo could also make (temporary) positive effect on someone who
believes in it...
If you think the major factor in inducing health problems is guitar and also that guitar doesn't have any health benefits, to prove yourself otherwise try to live without it. If that is not an option listen to experiences of people who have abandoned playing music for one reason or the other after playing for a long time. In my opinion, music gives structure in our lives that makes us strong. I think you are so used to it that you no longer recognize its effects. If you think otherwise, stop playing for a few days, see how it goes eh?
On the subject of placebo effect, it is truly difficult to test this out because we have this variable of 'believing in it' How do you establish that person has belief in something? First person testimony? While that may be valid in the paradigm of some sort of social sciences, I think its really tenuous to establish anything like this. But you can talk about it at parties etc, its cool
I'd better speak by music...Please listen it on Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer, etc. Thanks!