Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby hyz » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:04 am

senunkan wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Back to the topic on Yamaha GC guitar; my 2 cts: for the price that you are paying you can't really "hiam" (pick on) the sound.
With good technique, she can also produce beautiful notes.
Of course the workmanship is really 1st class.


If I can read in between the line I may guess that you have already played this GC41 guitar.... and of course in between the line I can also understand what you are trying to imply about it's sound quality.

For me, workmanship is a given for anything you buy from any Japanese company, not limited to only guitar.

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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby senunkan » Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Haha I am not trying to imply anything hyz.
Yes I have tried the guitar in person; the sound is definitely above estudio guitar,
I would think of it as a concert guitar and of course it not as loud as those cannon CF lattice thin top guitar which I have tried some but those guitars' sound really put me off...
(I have not tried double top before unfortunately)
Playability is definitely very easy to play as with all properly set-up Yamaha guitars that I have tried.
Some of the notes have really good harmonics (which I like)
As for projection, I can't really tell since I am the player.

Of course I still prefer the sound of my guitar but that's more of a subjective preference which everyone is entitled to.
It's not as loud as my own guitar though, however I think it might be due to that my guitar is set up higher.
It doesn't have that kind of ferocious attack that a Torres' fan have, which is more suited for Spanish pieces,
but Bach pieces sounds pretty good on it.
Considering the price that was paid, I would say it's quite value for money.

I think when a good player, like yourself, to evaluate guitars we have to consider which sort of pieces a guitar is suited for and the price range of the guitar.
That woulld be a more objective evaluation (oops but sound is pretty subjective ain't it? :mrgreen: )
If not why bother to have more than 1 guitar?
I believe every guitar has it's place.
Again my 2 cts of opinion.
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby HNLim » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:49 pm

I am just wondering why some people are commenting on a guitar that is below their "radar" range, those used by their student. If it's me I would not want to waste my time. There are much better things to do in life.
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby Vlad Kosulin » Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:04 pm

HNLim wrote:I am just wondering why some people are commenting on a guitar that is below their "radar" range, those used by their student. If it's me I would not want to waste my time. There are much better things to do in life.

Because they do know these guitars, and can provide more valuable opinion than their unexperienced students?
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby HNLim » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:36 pm

Vlad Kosulin wrote:
HNLim wrote:I am just wondering why some people are commenting on a guitar that is below their "radar" range, those used by their student. If it's me I would not want to waste my time. There are much better things to do in life.

Because they do know these guitars, and can provide more valuable opinion than their unexperienced students?

I can understand if it is a guitar teacher.
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby hyz » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:19 am

senunkan wrote:Yes I have tried the guitar in person; the sound is definitely above estudio guitar,

I think when a good player, like yourself, to evaluate guitars we have to consider which sort of pieces a guitar is suited for and the price range of the guitar.


OK, so this Grand Concert Yamaha guitar is just "above estudio guitar". You seem to compare from the bottom range rather than the same grade of concert guitars. I got it.

I am not really a good player. Please don't put me on the spot. They are many good players on this forum. For me to evaluate any guitars I do not need to show off with all the complex music. I always play some simple scales running up and down the frets and some arpeggio will be able to tell the story.

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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby senunkan » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:03 am

Well each of us is different when it comes to instrument and sounds.
Unlike you I can't infer much from a scale or chords alone, I probably need to play simple pieces to know how it sounds or at least fragments of it.
So why not you meet up with HNLim to try it out yourself, that would be a more accurate assessment from a expert like you, wouldn't it?
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby Vlad Kosulin » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:26 am

HNLim wrote:
Vlad Kosulin wrote:
HNLim wrote:I am just wondering why some people are commenting on a guitar that is below their "radar" range, those used by their student. If it's me I would not want to waste my time. There are much better things to do in life.

Because they do know these guitars, and can provide more valuable opinion than their unexperienced students?

I can understand if it is a guitar teacher.


It looks like there was some kind of miscommunication. I assumed you are speaking about guitar teachers without reading other posts because of your words "those used by their student".
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby HNLim » Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:30 am

Vlad Kosulin wrote:It looks like there was some kind of miscommunication. I assumed you are speaking about guitar teachers without reading other posts because of your words "those used by their student".

I am not too certain what kind of teacher that person is. From the looks of things I think at most a primary school teacher.
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby Dave1947 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:12 am

A few weeks ago I was reading an article about Yamaha and Martin's wood procurement in N. America and while they do have trouble getting enough high quality wood...they were talking top boards...spruce and cedar. Both companies seem to follow all the rules. It wouldn't make sense for them to buy pirated wood only to be outed by environmental activists or the press and then the governments would get involved with fines etc.
There are a couple of areas of the world like Madagascar and most of Africa where as a general rule the governments are weak and corrupt and I wouldn't buy any guitar made from Madagascar Rosewood or any wood from Africa. China is the big instigator but if you only buy guitars made from woods from American, Indian, or European (spruce) areas it's unlikely it'll be illegal nowadays.
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby guitarseller345645 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:14 am

If one googles on youtube, videos of hyz playing could be found, I think...
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby HNLim » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:32 am

guitarseller345645 wrote:If one googles on youtube, videos of hyz playing could be found, I think...

Are you referring to this YouTube.

Kevin Loh is one of the finest young CG player in Singapore.

I wonder who is it making such nasty comments?
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby Finn » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:56 pm

This thread is titled "Which Yamaha GC will you choose". I do not understand how the video in the link above is related to the content of this post. Please do not divert away from the discussion on the Yamaha GC in this thread.
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby chelson » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:08 pm

HNLim wrote:
guitarseller345645 wrote:If one googles on youtube, videos of hyz playing could be found, I think...

Are you referring to this YouTube.

Kevin Loh is one of the finest young CG player in Singapore.

I wonder who is it making such nasty comments?


Seem very out of topic, but since you mentioned, I just throw some quick view.

Hmm... I had seen Kevin Loh in a Masterclass plus one or two occasions coincidentally, I think. Personally, I don't like him on stage, even if he plays wonderfully. After all, Classical Guitar is a performance art. As an audience, if I don't feel connected, then I will not buy his ticket. Full Stop.
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Re: Which Yamaha GC will you choose?

Postby HNLim » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:22 pm

Dave1947 wrote:A few weeks ago I was reading an article about Yamaha and Martin's wood procurement in N. America and while they do have trouble getting enough high quality wood...they were talking top boards...spruce and cedar. Both companies seem to follow all the rules. It wouldn't make sense for them to buy pirated wood only to be outed by environmental activists or the press and then the governments would get involved with fines etc.
There are a couple of areas of the world like Madagascar and most of Africa where as a general rule the governments are weak and corrupt and I wouldn't buy any guitar made from Madagascar Rosewood or any wood from Africa. China is the big instigator but if you only buy guitars made from woods from American, Indian, or European (spruce) areas it's unlikely it'll be illegal nowadays.

What happens if you already own a Madagascar rosewood guitar?
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