Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

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Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by hesson11 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:11 am

Maybe this has been done before, but I've never seen it. The frets are "wiggly" in an effort to improve intonation. I can't link to it because Kenny's site sells guitars direct, but if you go to his site and click on the "performance intonation" blurb on the home page, you'll see it. Just wondering what everyone thinks of this approach.
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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by jim watts » Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:10 am

I've seen this before but have never heard a guitar with it. I may concern would be if the guitar needed fret work sometime down the road.

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by Michael Lazar » Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:56 pm

Hmmm. How does the saying go? "You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time......."

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by soltirefa » Sat Aug 12, 2017 2:53 pm

This reminds me of Shark Tank when the Sharks tell the entrepreneur he/she has a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by SteveL123 » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:28 pm

I looked this up and found this pic. Wouldn't the crooked frets be difficult to fret with the fingers?

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by Chris Sobel » Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:19 pm

Daniel Friederich did something similar in the meantone (sp?) guitar, a guitar which featured individual movable frets. It ended up looking a lot like this guitar. Apparently it was very difficult to play. You can find pics on it via GSI; they recently sold the guitar.

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by David_Norton » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:35 pm

Kenny Hill and his team tend to know what they are doing. Too bad there's not more of a background narrative on this guitar, whether it's a custom build or a one-off idea, or a new production line item, or whatever.
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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by Trevor Gore » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:42 pm

I'm still trying to figure what temperament and what scale(s)this is supposed to be true to. And even then, it would only work for one set up and string type.

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by JohnNguyen » Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:54 pm

To be prudent, I think one has to stick with the original string type used in the design to keep the intonation correct. Any change in string's tension and/or brand will for sure have some impact on the designed intonation compensation. It's a rabbit hole to go down with intonation, I believe.

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by UKsteve » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:42 am

Pretty standard fare currently for some electrics, especially 7 and 8 strings.
Search "Strandberg true temperament" or http://www.truetemperament.com

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by Pat Foster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:11 am

If you look up "microtonal guitar" on the web and youtube, Tolgahan Cogulu makes a pretty convincing case for its benefits. Certainly not for everyone, though.

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by franks59 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:11 pm

How are you supposed to play barre chords with that, especially at the 3rd fret?

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by RichardUno » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:29 pm

Has anyone actually tried a microtonal guitar? My instinct tells me that while it might be perfectly in tune in some keys, in others it will sound terrible.

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by John higgon » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:56 pm

franks59 wrote:
Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:11 pm
How are you supposed to play barre chords with that, especially at the 3rd fret?

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You'll need to develop wiggly fingers, I guess?

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Re: Kenny Hill's new performance intonation "wiggly" fretting

Post by Jason Wolverton » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:29 pm

If it sounds good for In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, then I'm in!
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