Yes, I agree. A good example is fan bracing itself. Who is more important - the "inventor" or the one who markets it with success, and who should history remember?Scot Tremblay wrote:Assigning any one particular feature to a single "inventor" is iffy at best.
Thanks for the reply, Marcus. I wasn´t pointing the arrogant finger, or searching for inaccuracies: hope it didn´t came across like that. i was wondering if that was a Bouchet pattern that i was unaware of. As for Santos and the "treble bar", i had that question for sometime - as he would be an obvious influence on the Ramirez dinasty - and it seemed an appropriate time to ask.Marcus Dominelli wrote:Hi Miguel,
Those variations on fan bracing were pulled from the the GSI website I think. I just wanted to show less informed readers that there were a lot of luthiers tinkering with variations on the Torres fan pattern, and to show what a few of them looked like.
But I wondered how accurate some of them were too, like the Bouchet pattern which does'nt have the braced across the center of the lower bout. He probably had more than one pattern he used, even though that's not the one we all think of when we think of Bouchet bracing.
As for the treble bar, it's hard to say who actually invented it. Inventing seems to be one thing, and becoming associated with something is another. It's possible that Jose Ramirez 3rd took the idea from Santos, or someone else, and claimed it as his own. I doubt he was the very first to do the treble bar, but it's become associated with him.
You´re very right of course, but by saying "using a slanted bar in the context of a fan-strutted guitar prior to Ramirez III" i wasn´t implying that SH invented "the" treble bar, just quite textually that he might be on to something prior to JR III. Indeed History is far from linear and at times is better understood as several histories and subtexts that entwine, mingle and diverge rather freely. The development of the modern/spanish/classical guitar seems to be such a case.Scot Tremblay wrote:Assigning any one particular feature to a single "inventor" is iffy at best. All of the features found in the Torres design and variations, can be found in instruments dating back many centuries
I am trying to dig up an article I read in Guitar International from 1988 which I seem to remember says that John Hall of Australia was that guy! Funny old world. That article is just what we need Marcus, there is a lot of education to be done about guitar construction and especially guitarists need to: TRUST THE MAKER! to make the choices about the guitar making. If you like the maker's sound and feel then go for it, if not then don't buy.Imagine if we discovered that Smallman had taken the lattice bracing idea from some unknown luthier who made a few prototypes, had a bit of commercial success, and then gave it up and went into Law or Medicine. Who do we give the credit to? I would say Smallman becuase he's the one who essentially made the lattice concept a reality in that he brought it to the awareness of the guitar playing world.
That's interesting. It really does'nt surprise me. I think this is pretty common in almost every field. It would be cool if you found that article.John Ray wrote:I am trying to dig up an article I read in Guitar International from 1988 which I seem to remember says that John Hall of Australia was that guy! Funny old world.
There were a few guys in Australia messing with novel bracing ideas around that time. Everyone knows Smallman of course, but there were also Gilet, Biffen, Jim Williams, Kellaway, Caldersmith and, of course John (Ben) Hall who all knew each other and helped each other out in the pioneering days of the 70's. Hall got half way there with regard to a lattice in that he developed a bracing system comprising closely spaced diagonal bars which he called "Steinway Bracing" after the bracing style on pianos. Hall still uses that style of bracing. Smallman doubled it up by putting in the other set of diagonals to create the lattice and the rest, as they say, is history. At least, that's how Ben tells it!Marcus Dominelli wrote:That's interesting. It really does'nt surprise me. I think this is pretty common in almost every field. It would be cool if you found that article.John Ray wrote:I am trying to dig up an article I read in Guitar International from 1988 which I seem to remember says that John Hall of Australia was that guy! Funny old world.
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