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Torroba Burgalesa

Postby Bart » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:25 pm

How hard would you rate this?

For example a rating from one to ten or a rating which uses the 'Delcamp difficulty rating system'
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby David_Norton » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:25 pm

If played as-published in F# major: really hard on the left hand, huge endurance demands.

If played as-transposed in E major: intermediate/moderate.
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby cool09 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:42 am

It's really not hard. A little stretching in a couple areas but it's a slow piece so you have time to plant your hand. I was glad I could play it. It's a really beautiful piece and fell in love with it after I heard Segovia play it on his "Favorite Spanish Encores" LP - you can hear lots of dynamics and contrast when you hear him play it.
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby Pragueguy » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:14 am

cool09 wrote:It's really not hard. A little stretching in a couple areas but it's a slow piece so you have time to plant your hand. I was glad I could play it. It's a really beautiful piece and fell in love with it after I heard Segovia play it on his "Favorite Spanish Encores" LP - you can hear lots of dynamics and contrast when you hear him play it.


Segovia recorded it in in transposed E major, just to be clear (ie, not in F sharp major).
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby Neptune » Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:53 pm

I learned this piece early on in my repertoire studies. Not hard at all. Great chance for interpretation, tone color and so forth!
Still play it to this day, just love it!
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby thendrix » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:30 pm

I am just learning Burgalesa, so far in F# Major. The reaches are very difficult for my small hands.

Some recent posts have discussed alternative tunings (I have yet to try them).
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby David_Norton » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:04 pm

thendrix wrote:I am just learning Burgalesa, so far in F# Major. The reaches are very difficult for my small hands.

Some recent posts have discussed alternative tunings (I have yet to try them).


If you are learning this to present a beautiful musical composition, learn the E-major version.

If you are learning this to satisfy a teacher or a grade requirement, or to improve the strength and endurance of your left hand, stick with F# major.

Keep in mind that both versions have been performed/recorded by many top-drawer professional players, so it can't be said that one is for Pros and the other is for Amateurs.
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby thendrix » Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:35 am

These days I am both teacher and pupil. Any idea where I might find an arrangement in E major?
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby cool09 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:32 am

What other good intermediate Torroba pieces are there? Does he have any studies?
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby oski79 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:17 am

The F# arrangement is a beast. I tried it and gave up because my left hand kept cramping! I need to get that arrangement in E!
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby thendrix » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:24 am

Romance of the Pines is very nice

cool09 wrote:What other good intermediate Torroba pieces are there? Does he have any studies?
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby oski79 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:38 am

There are a number of accessible pieces in the "Castles of Spain" collection. "Romance of the Pines," or "Romanza de los Pinos," is quite nice, and a few others, like Siguenza, and Alba de Tormes, are lovely and not horribly difficult too. Those are probably the easiest three in the book.
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby kloeten » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:16 am

cool09 wrote:What other good intermediate Torroba pieces are there? Does he have any studies?


I just learned the Nocturno and love it.
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Re: Torroba Burgalesa

Postby Neptune » Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:16 am

cool09 wrote:What other good intermediate Torroba pieces are there? Does he have any studies?


Try "Torija" from Castles of Spain. Good drop D song, elegant, whimsical:)
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