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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AndreiKrylov » Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:42 pm

DerekH wrote:
AndreiKrylov wrote:Why would you not consider playing in standing position?
It will be more natural and ergonomical and help alleviate back pain,,, :)


And when did you see a Symphony Orchestra playing standing up, and a restaurant serving diners standing up. Do you watch television standing up?

It's far better to sit with a straight spine rather than a twisted pelvis, and far better to sit than stand. And far better to try to solve problems properly rather than suggest we all stand up... :)


Oh thanks a lot for bringing attention to this general subject!
you wrote that it is "far better to sit than stand" and then you brought your opinion and some examples (of certain western cultural traditions of modern time )
It is not good to sit a lot and many studies confirm that...
So please prove it (if you could) by scientific data, studies, statistics. No just opinion please :) that sitting long time is good...
According to many studies and data from health specialists sitting is not good with guitar or not. We born to move it is natural for us, yes we can adjust to many unnatural things, yes we able to function in difficult poses or using all kind of substances but it is not good for us :)
For example Women use high heels, most of them, because of the culture, because of the way how certain image imposed on them and they feel it is natural,
but heels bring all kind of health problems in 40-s 50-s and older...
Do women really need high heels? Make it their walk better or more convenient? They could walk longer?
No... they tired more .. they have problems with veins, they have deformation of feet etc...
It is not rational or healthy choice, but just because culture impose it on them ...
But certainly everybody has a choice (or at least it seems like that :))

Here some of my examples :
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/25/135575490 ... ight-think
http://www.geekosystem.com/sitting-health-dangers/
http://office-ergo.com/sitting-disease/#sit_disease
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/201 ... eath_N.htm
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby DerekH » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:43 pm

AndreiKrylov wrote:Why would you not consider playing in standing position?
So please prove it (if you could) by scientific data, studies, statistics
...
For example Women use high heels, most of them


So it's OK for *you* to make generalisations, but not *me*? :roll:

You have a point of view, and I accept that it's a point of view, even if you won't accept mine.

I don't eat standing up, don't drive my car standing up, don't cycle standing up, don't type up my emails standing up and don't play a pipe organ standing up, I don't expect you to prove, by in your words, scientific data, studies, statistics, that my life would be all the better if I did.

Anyway, I'm off to lie down for a night's sleep - I've never quite managed that standing up either... :-)
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AndreiKrylov » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:51 pm

DerekH wrote:
AndreiKrylov wrote:Why would you not consider playing in standing position?
So please prove it (if you could) by scientific data, studies, statistics
...
For example Women use high heels, most of them


So it's OK for *you* to make generalisations, but not *me*? :roll:

You have a point of view, and I accept that it's a point of view, even if you won't accept mine.

I don't eat standing up, don't drive my car standing up, don't cycle standing up, don't type up my emails standing up and don't play a pipe organ standing up, I don't expect you to prove, by in your words, scientific data, studies, statistics, that my life would be all the better if I did.

Anyway, I'm off to lie down for a night's sleep - I've never quite managed that standing up either... :-)


Thanks Derek!
It is not my point to let you stand while playing guitar or typing email (I actually do it standing too)
It is also your personal choice how to make your life better or else :)
But we are talking here about Solution to back problems from foot stool use...
And it is clear for me from my personal experience (and science support it) that standing (moving ) is more ergonomical, better than sitting...
People from all over the world know that smoking is bad for them and yet they continue to smoke...and that's their choice...but their choice and opinion does not make them healthy...
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby wianno » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:12 pm

There was a very good thread recently about the use of a strap to allow playing the guitar seated with both feet on the floor. Obviously, it would apply just as well for those who prefer to stand at times to play.

Go here to view it viewtopic.php?f=11&t=61028&p=679419&hilit=suction+cup#p679419

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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AsturiasFan » Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:49 am

wianno wrote:There was a very good thread recently about the use of a strap to allow playing the guitar seated with both feet on the floor. Obviously, it would apply just as well for those who prefer to stand at times to play.
Go here to view it viewtopic.php?f=11&t=61028&p=679419&hilit=suction+cup#p679419


That's what I've been doing for a while. Using a standard strap while sitting with both feet on the floor. I see the strap as giving greater control over position with some inconsequential loss of stability: I use a position that isn't possible with a foot stool: The guitar is a tad higher on my chest, and for better centering is a tad more to the right . I definitely feel a sense of greater freedom and comfort. I can twist my torso, lean forward or backward, or freely move at least my lower legs, all without problem since the guitar will move in perfect sync. While standing I may pull the strap over the top half of the front-right-edge of the guitar. The inward force that the strap exerts on the upper right bout does two things: it restores some stability that was lost when contact with the thighs was broken; It corrects the guitars forward tilt to the proper backward playing tilt.
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AndreiKrylov » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:39 am

AsturiasFan wrote:
wianno wrote:There was a very good thread recently about the use of a strap to allow playing the guitar seated with both feet on the floor. Obviously, it would apply just as well for those who prefer to stand at times to play.
Go here to view it viewtopic.php?f=11&t=61028&p=679419&hilit=suction+cup#p679419


That's what I've been doing for a while. Using a standard strap while sitting with both feet on the floor. I see the strap as giving greater control over position with some inconsequential loss of stability: I use a position that isn't possible with a foot stool: The guitar is a tad higher on my chest, and for better centering is a tad more to the right . I definitely feel a sense of greater freedom and comfort. I can twist my torso, lean forward or backward, or freely move at least my lower legs, all without problem since the guitar will move in perfect sync. While standing I may pull the strap over the top half of the front-right-edge of the guitar. The inward force that the strap exerts on the upper right bout does two things: it restores some stability that was lost when contact with the thighs was broken; It corrects the guitars forward tilt to the proper backward playing tilt.


Well when you use strap, why would you not stand with guitar? If it is a good strap when it will not slip or move on your shoulders and guitar will be in a position which you choose. Anyway strap is a natural way forward to stand with guitar ... :)
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Re: Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby Theresa de Prat » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:41 am

AndreiKrylov wrote:
DerekH wrote:
AndreiKrylov wrote:Why would you not consider playing in standing position?
It will be more natural and ergonomical and help alleviate back pain,,, :)


And when did you see a Symphony Orchestra playing standing up, and a restaurant serving diners standing up. Do you watch television standing up?

It's far better to sit with a straight spine rather than a twisted pelvis, and far better to sit than stand. And far better to try to solve problems properly rather than suggest we all stand up... :)


Oh thanks a lot for bringing attention to this general subject!
you wrote that it is "far better to sit than stand" and then you brought your opinion and some examples (of certain western cultural traditions of modern time )
It is not good to sit a lot and many studies confirm that...
So please prove it (if you could) by scientific data, studies, statistics. No just opinion please :) that sitting long time is good...
According to many studies and data from health specialists sitting is not good with guitar or not. We born to move it is natural for us, yes we can adjust to many unnatural things, yes we able to function in difficult poses or using all kind of substances but it is not good for us :)
For example Women use high heels, most of them, because of the culture, because of the way how certain image imposed on them and they feel it is natural,
but heels bring all kind of health problems in 40-s 50-s and older...
Do women really need high heels? Make it their walk better or more convenient? They could walk longer?
No... they tired more .. they have problems with veins, they have deformation of feet etc...
It is not rational or healthy choice, but just because culture impose it on them ...
But certainly everybody has a choice (or at least it seems like that :))

Here some of my examples :
http://www.npr.org/2011/04/25/135575490 ... ight-think
http://www.geekosystem.com/sitting-health-dangers/
http://office-ergo.com/sitting-disease/#sit_disease
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/201 ... eath_N.htm


These are excellent links. Thank you for sharing these with us. I have actually shared them with my family as my father is suffering from back pain his doctors have attributed to sitting far too long without breaks.
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Re: Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AndreiKrylov » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:01 am

Theresa de Prat wrote:
These are excellent links. Thank you for sharing these with us. I have actually shared them with my family as my father is suffering from back pain his doctors have attributed to sitting far too long without breaks.

Thanks Theresa!
Myself If I would not standing, moving, changing position with guitar, exercising etc. then I would no playing nor walking today... I had big big problem with my back even 12 years ago and with the age it is not going to be better... :) but I'm fine. I still can enjoy playing :)
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby jaradgiese » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:53 pm

There is evidence that sitting for extended periods of time is not good for the body. If you are going to practice for hours I would advocate either taking a break where you get up and walk around or alternate between standing and sitting while practicing. I used to sit for hours and hours using a footstool only and it really had a negative impact on my spine.
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AndreiKrylov » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:39 am

Thanks for your evidence jaradgiese ! Yes the best for the spine is to stand/move with guitar...
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby robin loops » Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:09 am

New member here, first time posting. Have to say I love the site and it has been a very valuable resource for me. Recently got back into playing classical after a very long hiatus and at my age the back can't take as much abuse as it used too.

Ultimately I think that no matter what method we use to hold the guitar, there will always be some level of stress involved (or tradeoof to stability, etc) and I believe the trick to be, finding a way to distribute this to different parts of the body rather than taking all on the leg, or back, or arms, or tone, etc... Like some type of ergonomic juggling act.

I have tried many variations with an angled/folding footstool (turning it backwards, using two, etc) and have never found them very comfortable nor stable. I much prefer a simple little wooden stool (can find just about anywhere) which I cut a little off the legs to make my preferred height. The effect of using two footstools can be achieved by sitting in a lower chair and a really low footstool (to make the left leg just a tiny bit higher) but it also works really well on my little flat wooden stool (similar to what Segovia used but no padding). However I find that after time this actually causes more discomfort than one leg elevated. After all I'm basically hyper extending both legs.

The heel off the back of the stool method (mentioned earlier in this thread) works pretty well for me. I've noticed Tarrega also did this. Aside from giving a little more mobility to the leg and alleviating some of the tension, it gives you a little more power just when you need it. for example, when making a difficult bar or stretch I can push up a little bit with the leg and get a similar result as pushing the guitar with the chest (but much more natural feeling). The drawback to this is of course stress in the heel/ankle so not the best for 5 hour stretches.

Also I switch my chairs constantly... This helps a lot. I used to think that I would somehow find a perfect posture that was the solution but what I have found is that the more static the body is (even over different sessions etc) the more problems I have. I started doing this after noticing that different chairs made me hurt in slightly different areas/ways. Even a minor difference in chair height changes the precise location of stress (in the hands, legs, and back) and allows for one area to rest while the other takes the load (if that makes any sense). I feel this also makes it easier to adjust for comfort on any given day (sometimes different parts of my back will ache more due to how I slept, etc) and makes my playing more adaptable to different conditions.

There was another thread about slanting the stool the opposite direction... This also helps sometimes but I have found that it tends to put far too much weight forward (which the left leg ends up supporting and again causes more pain in the long run. It was mentioned in that post that most stools are about 20% slant. I can't believe no one has ever changed that design to fit modern footwear better (heels aren't as big/tall). I did modify one once to make it slant less and I liked it a lot better (especially with tennis shoes or slippers). It also pretty easy to do if you have some tools. Or you can add heels to your stool (any felt pad with sticky back, like the ones for putting under furniture will work).

A good source for flat stools (even padded ones like Segovia had) are antique stores. Just find one that is close to the height you want and take a hacksaw to it for fine adjustment. Right now I'm looking for a cool padded one as I think this will allow for a little more leg mobility (less static) without having to dangle the heel... Also going to try a memory foam cushion for my chair... Will post again with the results.

Not part of the footstool but, I also chew gum while I practice. How does this affect leg and back pain? WEll, I'm a teeth clencher... I have noticed that the tension from my mouth muscles tends to travel from my mouth to my neck, then shoulders, and ultimately ends up in my hands... It's a leg bone's connected to the thigh bone kind of a thing. Which brings me to another thing I do that helps a lot. A complete stretch routine before I start. Just like I would do if I were going to play football (soccer) for 2 hours. Then a micro stretch routine with the arms, hands, and fingers. I then play simple studies and warm up stuff for the first hour of practice. No matter how you position a footstool will help the pain if we skip the warmup routine.

Aside from all the different variables to chair height stool type, sitting posture, warming up, etc. one of the biggest things I've noticed which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere is technical ability. I have found that the time spent developing technique (through simple studies) and better sight reading, etc, has more of an effect on leg, back and arm pain than everything else combined.
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AndreiKrylov » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:05 pm

Hi Robin, welcome to guitar forum! Thanks for sharing your experience! I have different experience ... How old are you? How many hours a day do you play? Do you work as performing guitarist? If you play an hour a day with 3, 20 minutes then maybe you could sit with footstool through it. If you play like me 4-5 hours a day and play 4-5 gigs a week (I'm 53 years old with back problems) Then there is no way you could play sitting with footstool...
There is no solution ... :) sitting with footstool is bad for your back... period. Even more ad for your back than long periods of sitting without guitar :)
The solution is play in this position only when you have no other choice, but if there is a choice - "Solution to back problems from foot stool use" is to play standing/moving... Maybe hypnosis or self hypnosis, or help? Miracle happens and no back pain! :) Rationally you can not justify it...
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby robin loops » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:49 am

I don't know why you would assume that I only practice and hour a day because I use a footstool. I play at least 5-6 hours a day and oftentimes more. I'm guessing John Williams practices for more than an hour a day too and he uses one... SEgovia practiced more than 8 hours and well, enough of that... I try to play for at least 1 hour stretches between breaks and often get distracted enough to go for 2 or 3 (playing through the pain/discomfort rather than stopping). If you re-read my post you'll see that I talk about how difficult it is to use a footstool and ways of making them more comfortable if one uses them (and also was addressing the original topic of the thread, and ignoring the topic of standing versus sitting which I think is a discussion left for a different thread since this one is actually about 'ways' of using a footstool to improve comfort)

I'm 42 and have back problems from an auto accident a little over a year ago. I have to use a footstool as it's the only option for me. Standing for 5 hour practice sessions is definitely not an option. As far as standing versus sitting goes: I've had jobs where I worked standing on my feet for 8 hours and others working at a desk. I prefer the latter. Supports don't feel natural to me, and straps cause the guitar to be parallel to my body which cause major problems with my right hand, aside from destroying my tone (partly due to hand angle and maybe in part to the back of the guitar being against the body causing it to sound muffled). I love standing while singing and strumming classic rock stuff but I think there's an ergonomic reason we don't find strap buttons on classical guitars... It's called carpel tunnel syndrome. And when faced with the choice of carpel tunnel syndrome or leg falling asleep/discomfort, I much prefer the latter. I'm also guessing that's why I've never seen a standing classical guitarist.

Anyway back on topic:
I mentioned memory foam in my last post... Well, I went and picked one up today. Basic twenty dollar car cushion with memory foam inside (level 3 hard). Combined that with my $20 stool and WOW! Have a chair I wouldn't trade for one of the $300 specialty chairs I've seen.

I played for up to 4x longer between breaks. Not once did my back hurt. Standard back fatigue but no pain. Also almost completely eliminated circulation issues with left leg and allowed for much greater enjoyment of my practice time. today was a little different kind of practice day though so I'll post an update when I get a chance to get back to the normal routine.
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Re: Solution to back problems from foot stool use

Postby AndreiKrylov » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:59 pm

robin loops wrote:I don't know why you would assume that I only practice and hour a day because I use a footstool. I play at least 5-6 hours a day and oftentimes more. I'm guessing John Williams practices for more than an hour a day too and he uses one... SEgovia practiced more than 8 hours and well, enough of that... I try to play for at least 1 hour stretches between breaks and often get distracted enough to go for 2 or 3 (playing through the pain/discomfort rather than stopping). If you re-read my post you'll see that I talk about how difficult it is to use a footstool and ways of making them more comfortable if one uses them (and also was addressing the original topic of the thread, and ignoring the topic of standing versus sitting which I think is a discussion left for a different thread since this one is actually about 'ways' of using a footstool to improve comfort)

I'm 42 and have back problems from an auto accident a little over a year ago. I have to use a footstool as it's the only option for me. Standing for 5 hour practice sessions is definitely not an option. As far as standing versus sitting goes: I've had jobs where I worked standing on my feet for 8 hours and others working at a desk. I prefer the latter. Supports don't feel natural to me, and straps cause the guitar to be parallel to my body which cause major problems with my right hand, aside from destroying my tone (partly due to hand angle and maybe in part to the back of the guitar being against the body causing it to sound muffled). I love standing while singing and strumming classic rock stuff but I think there's an ergonomic reason we don't find strap buttons on classical guitars... It's called carpel tunnel syndrome. And when faced with the choice of carpel tunnel syndrome or leg falling asleep/discomfort, I much prefer the latter. I'm also guessing that's why I've never seen a standing classical guitarist.

Anyway back on topic:
I mentioned memory foam in my last post... Well, I went and picked one up today. Basic twenty dollar car cushion with memory foam inside (level 3 hard). Combined that with my $20 stool and WOW! Have a chair I wouldn't trade for one of the $300 specialty chairs I've seen.

I played for up to 4x longer between breaks. Not once did my back hurt. Standard back fatigue but no pain. Also almost completely eliminated circulation issues with left leg and allowed for much greater enjoyment of my practice time. today was a little different kind of practice day though so I'll post an update when I get a chance to get back to the normal routine.


Thanks for your answer Robin Loops!
1. I have nothing against personal choice - somebody like to smoke, somebody don't like smoke...or to eat not to eat junk food or else and it is their choice. The same with footstool - if you like it - it is great for you but...!
2. Look on this forum - it is filled with complains about back pain and other health problems connected with sitting with footstool and sitting...
3. There are some people who smoke and live 110 years - what does it prove? That smoking is good for you? :)
Science definitely say NO. My grandmother smoked all her life and laughed then she was told that smoking was not good , but then at 72 she had throat cancer...she immediately stoped smoking and was scared... but it was too late...
4. A couple of links to scientific research about sitting for long periods with breaks or not breaks...
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... inglepage/
another -
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le2229466/
5. About buttons on guitar (you say it is a special reason) post from other forum by specialist in guitar history (PhD Jason Priset ) Jason Priset • "For the whole argument about whether or not to use a strap, one important thing about the guitar's history should be considered: Prior to the 20th century the "classical guitar" tradition did not necessarily mean using a footstool with the guitar on your left leg. In fact, guitar in the 16th, 17th, 18th, and (sometimes) the19th centuries had buttons on the instrument so it could be held using a strap. The renaissance and baroque guitar were much too small to hold on the leg, and even the 19th century guitar was much smaller than what we have today. The tripod Aguado created in the 19th century was to keep the instrument firmly in place, much like a pianist would sit down to play the piano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionisio_Aguado).

Sometime between the end of the 19th and into the 20th century the footstool became the standard way to play. So, when considering whether or not to use the footstool, remember it has only been used exclusively for the past 120+ years. Guitar has been around for 500+ years! This, of course, doesn't even consider that today acoustic and electric players almost always use the strap . I think whatever is the most comfortable way to play is the best way, as long as the instrument is in the most natural playing position (close to the body with the neck raised). Don't sacrifice your back for the sake of a teacher insisting you use the footstool because it is the "proper" way to play. If the footstool is the most comfortable way, use it. If not, find another way. I prefer the Dynarette support cushion."
- I agree 100%
6. How memory foam under someone butt could help to his back? It will definitely help to his butt to feel better! :)
It will not change the fact that sitting with footstool is very non ergonomic position by itself...it is tense and demanding position ...
7. Standing or sitting my hands are in exactly the same position - then how you came to idea of carpal tunnel because of standing? I play guitar 4-6-8 hours a day for more than you've been living and have no problems with my hands... :)

Yes I agree - you could improve your sitting, but you could not make it ergonomic... but if you choose sitting - then good for you! Enjoy your guitar playing!
And yes, there are many people who could not stand by health reasons, car accidents, extra weight, etc. so sitting for them is good solution for their love to guitar music ! I agree on 100%.
But for average person the "Solution to back problems from foot stool use" just to get rid of footstool completely and play standing/moving, or at least with guitar support.

P.S. I just listened the news and they say that it is about 60% or more people living in Australia, USA, UK overweight or obese... then yes - standing is not a solution for majority... sitting is definitely easier...and they say in the news that one of the reason people gain weight is sedentary lifestyle... circle ...yes, I'm in minority - it is so easy for me to stand with guitar or not... therefore unfortunately my solution for back pain is not a solution for majority of guitar players...:)
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