Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 - D06 Video - UPDATED

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Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 - D06 Video - UPDATED

Postby NylonStrung » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:01 am

I'm not entirely happy with my playing of this piece. It's not terrible but I'm still struggling with what I think of as the 'ending of the first part' at around 30 seconds in. Other than that it's not bad, needs a little work here and there but it's progressing quite well (excuse the squeaks, I seem to get them a lot with new strings).

I will amend when I can play it better.

Thanks for listening.

[UPDATED VERSION]

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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby George Crocket » Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:14 am

Thanks for posting.

I enjoyed the video. I think you played the piece really well. With careful listening I could maybe notice just a couple of slight hesitations. I was particularly taken with your effortless style.

Thanks again.
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby NylonStrung » Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:02 am

Many thanks for your feedback George. If I'm honest, I wasn't confident before shooting the video but I had become so frustrated with my seeming inability to conquer a couple of aspects of this piece that I decided to record it so I could analyse where I was going wrong from the outside. It actually turned out better than I was expecting which is why I thought it was worth posting. I agree, there are a couple of hesitations in there but hopefully that will be ironed out over time :)
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby Sébastien Biale » Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:21 am

:bravo: :bravo: :casque:
I enjoy !!!
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby NylonStrung » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:14 pm

Merci beaucoup :)
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby Sébastien Biale » Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:43 pm

NylonStrung wrote:Merci beaucoup :)

:lol:
French speak english,... English speak frensh...we can try in spanish if you want...nnnooooo !!!!! with guitar... it' s universal... :D

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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby NylonStrung » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:09 pm

Sébastien Biale wrote:
NylonStrung wrote:Merci beaucoup :)

:lol:
French speak english,... English speak frensh...we can try in spanish if you want...nnnooooo !!!!! with guitar... it' s universal... :D

:bye: :bye:


Your English is better than my French :D

As you say, the guitar speaks to us all :bravo:
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby Philip.Lawson » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:57 pm

Nylonstrung- well played.
The melody was clear and articulated very well, your left hand shifts were seamless. You achieved a great clarity in your playing and have a very clean sound with both hands :)

It looks like your playing is quite restrained on this video, I'd love to hear you play it with confidence and real gusto when you're comfortable with all the technical aspects of the piece!
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby NylonStrung » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:17 pm

Many thanks for your feedback and observations Philip, I greatly appreciate it. I wasn't totally confident in my playing due to a couple of passages I am still having a little problems with but, hopefully, as I gradually overcome them the playing will flow better and be more comfortable for both myself and the listener/viewer.

One thing I have noticed, which is a little odd. Although it sounds okay when I watch the video on my laptop (as well as when I am actually playing the piece), when I watched it back on my TV to get a better idea of sound quality, the second and third notes played (i.e. notes not played on the high E string) almost sound like a 'gallop' rather than being in tempo with the high note. I don't know how it sounds to others but it seems to have something to do with having the bass sound turned up. Just something I don't know if I need to work on or not.

Many thanks again.

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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby Philip.Lawson » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:43 pm

I can hear what you're talking about with the gallop. Your arpeggio playing in this piece is very even both in rhythm and volume. If you bring out the melody voice at a higher volume, and play the accompaniment a little softer that gallop should go away.
You could also try giving a little hesitation right after some of the big melody notes, more da- daaaa- da da than da-da- da da. That would really help make the melody sing :)

Let me know if this helps!

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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby NylonStrung » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:40 pm

Philip.Lawson wrote:You could also try giving a little hesitation right after some of the big melody notes, more da- daaaa- da da than da-da- da da. That would really help make the melody sing :)



Thank you for your suggestions, I appreciate your time and I will try them out and see what it sounds like...I am slightly hampered by the fact that I can't hear it when I play it, I only seem to be able to notice it when I watch it back :?

Strangely, the way you have suggested to play it here is just how I do play it when I slow it down, I seem to give more time and emphasis to the "double" high notes (sorry, I'm very new to the terminology and don't know the names for a lot of written music), it's only when I try to play it at the right tempo that everything tends to get squashed together...something gets lost when I try to play it slowly but quickly :roll:

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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby Philip.Lawson » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:03 pm

Don't worry, it takes quite a while to be able to really hear what you're -actually- playing. I took me YEARS, and I still do little recordings to make sure what I hear in my head is actually what happens when I play the guitar :wink:

What I found really helpful was to think just of the main beat and almost completely ignore the accompaniment, that way even though you're playing quite fast it still feels slow. Try playing the piece with a tissue wrapped around the 2nd and 3rd string so you only hear the melody (or you could mute the other strings with your left hand). The other thing you could do is to exaggerate the hesitation, then it'll sound just right in the recording :wink:
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby Philip.Lawson » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:17 pm

Edit: Thinking about it a little further, if you want to get used to the feeling of the hesitation during a fast tempo you could do an obnoxiously big hesitation- one so big even Segovia would say 'now hold on a sec'! Da-da-da-da-Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa------da-da-da.

Hope this helps and if you feel you could use some more help feel free to PM me. I'd be more than happy to help :)
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby NylonStrung » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:31 pm

Philip.Lawson wrote:if you want to get used to the feeling of the hesitation during a fast tempo you could do an obnoxiously big hesitation- one so big even Segovia would say 'now hold on a sec'!


:lol:

Many, many thanks for all your suggestions Philip, I will definitely be giving them all a try...and if I do still have some questions then you may well find a PM nestling in you inbox at some point in the near future. :)

p.s. Someone appears to have added a "D06" to the title of my post (I know I didn't put it there)...if that's the case, it's no wonder I'm having problems with it :shock:
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Re: Sor, Fernando; op.60/22 Allegretto Moderato - Video

Postby George Crocket » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:38 pm

NylonStrung wrote:
p.s. Someone appears to have added a "D06" to the title of my post (I know I didn't put it there)...if that's the case, it's no wonder I'm having problems with it :shock:


The Moderators try to keep an eye on the formatting of titles in the recording forums so that sorting is consistent and helpful. Wherever possible the level of a recording is included as a useful piece of information.

But it wasn't me. :shock:
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