How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

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How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by redmcq » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:26 am

Was wondering if anyone could help me out on a a part in this piece... it occurs at bar 40, the chord with the pause. I have heard a few players of this piece play a run or something at this poi in the music. See Jason Vieaux do it at 2.56 in this video ...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf_Lolpumi4
You can also here David Russel doing it aswell.
Was wondering if any has what they're doing in musical notation that I could see or if anyone could help me out on why they are doing?
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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by petermc61 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:53 am

It probably depends on what version you are using. I don't have the score in front of me but I suspect I know which bar you are talking about. In the well know Koonce arrangement that run is included in the score.

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by redmcq » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:37 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:53 am
It probably depends on what version you are using. I don't have the score in front of me but I suspect I know which bar you are talking about. In the well know Koonce arrangement that run is included in the score.

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Yeah I'm playing the Koonce arrangement and it doesn't seem to be in my copy :(

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by petermc61 » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:47 pm

redmcq wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:37 pm
petermc61 wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:53 am
It probably depends on what version you are using. I don't have the score in front of me but I suspect I know which bar you are talking about. In the well know Koonce arrangement that run is included in the score.

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Peter
Yeah I'm playing the Koonce arrangement and it doesn't seem to be in my copy :(
Hmmm. Maybe I am thinking a different bar. I'm sitting in a plane on the tarmac at Hong Kong airport so can't quite dash off and check my sheet music for you. :roll:

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:58 pm

Its not in the score, its an improvised-style addition. Perfectly in keeping, but not actually written by Bach.
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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by redmcq » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:22 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:47 pm
redmcq wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:37 pm
petermc61 wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:53 am
It probably depends on what version you are using. I don't have the score in front of me but I suspect I know which bar you are talking about. In the well know Koonce arrangement that run is included in the score.

Regards
Peter
Yeah I'm playing the Koonce arrangement and it doesn't seem to be in my copy :(
Hmmm. Maybe I am thinking a different bar. I'm sitting in a plane on the tarmac at Hong Kong airport so can't quite dash off and check my sheet music for you. :roll:
Haha alright ! Well if you get the chance to check and your version does have it be sure to show me !;-)

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by redmcq » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:29 pm

Stephen Kenyon wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:58 pm
Its not in the score, its an improvised-style addition. Perfectly in keeping, but not actually written by Bach.
Thanks , to be honest I didn't think it was written by Bach. Still, do you want notes he's playing to di this ?

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:18 pm

redmcq wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:29 pm
Stephen Kenyon wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:58 pm
Its not in the score, its an improvised-style addition. Perfectly in keeping, but not actually written by Bach.
Thanks , to be honest I didn't think it was written by Bach. Still, do you want notes he's playing to di this ?
I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are asking!

My suggestion is, since you have (good!) ambitions, consider this little addition of Jason's to be something you should be able to work out for yourself, by ear preferably and if not, by reference to the video as well. Maybe post it here in notated form?
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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by soltirefa » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:28 pm

David Russell's version was in Acoustic Guitar Magazine years ago and had that fancy run written out.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/szyeun2q69m2c ... 2.JPG?dl=0

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by redmcq » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:30 pm

Cheers guys!!!

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by soltirefa » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:29 pm

redmcq wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:30 pm
Cheers guys!!!
Guys?

That reminds me of when police and fire department people save someone's life and the person saved says, "Thank Jesus."

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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by Jeffrey Armbruster » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:42 pm

Among guys..."guys" is all inclusive. At least that's my take. It's meant as a friendly way to indicate the men and women involved. And to be fair, there don't seem to be any feminine equivalents. "Gals" is likely to get you your head served up on a platter. "Girls" won't work either; "guys and women" is awkward; "dolls...." are you kidding me? What to do, what to do?

I hope this helps with the Bach.
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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by lagartija » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:49 pm

Yes, it is a problem, isn't it? :-)
Around where I live we've always used "guys" to be all inclusive, however in the south, they use "y'all", which is much more egalitarian. Recently, in the college age groups I have been hearing "peeps", which is short for people.

So that would be "Cheers, Peeps!" or "Cheers Y'all!".
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Among guys..."guys" is all inclusive. At least that's my take. It's meant as a friendly way to indicate the men and women involved. And to be fair, there don't seem to be any feminine equivalents. "Gals" is likely to get you your head served up on a platter. "Girls" won't work either; "guys and women" is awkward; "dolls...." are you kidding me? What to do, what to do?

I hope this helps with the Bach.
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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by soltirefa » Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:53 pm

That isn't what I meant when I questioned his use of "guys." I was (perhaps selfishly) saying, "Hello, I'm THE one who gave you the very information and a reference to what you wanted to know." When I saw the OP's question I took the time to find the Acoustic Guitar Magazine in my files, take a picture of David Russell's measure 40, open a dropbox account and upload it for the OP. So thanks guys didn't seem like the reply I thought might be appropriate.

How about, "Wow, that's exactly what I I was looking for."
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Re: How to play part in Bach' Prelude BWV 998

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:04 pm

soltirefa wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:53 pm
That isn't what I meant when I questioned his use of "guys." I was (perhaps selfishly) saying, "Hello, I'm THE one who gave you the very information and a reference to what you wanted to know. When I saw the OP's question I took the time to find the Acoustic Guitar Magazine in my files, take a picture of David Russell's measure 40, open a dropbox account and upload it for the OP. So thanks guys didn't seem like the reply I thought might be appropriate.

How about, "Wow, that's exactly what I I was looking for."
Fair enough. Well that clip is close but not exactly what Jason plays though, since exactitude is called for 8)
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