Hi Jorge,Jorge Oliveira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:15 pmVery nice this #2 of yours, Jez, quite enjoyable to listen to. As for damping open strings here and there, I absolutely second David in his comments about this subject. From the time of the original publication, having typo errors themselves for sure, to the present days, so many editors put their hands in his works that unless Sor himself comes out of his tomb and tells us how he meant his music to be played, there is no way for us to know for sure how to. Nevertheless, in my Chanterelle edition of Fernando Sor " The Complete Studies for Guitar", just before the start of scores of Opus 60, Sor is quoted as saying (translated from the original French edition):Jez wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:31 am
I’ve posted #2 below, took quite a while to get
the right take, and I’ve been in a number of minds about what to do with the open G. The options I saw were to -
1. Let it ring
2. Play to strict timing
3. Let it ring for the first two notes but damp on while playing the last note.
I opted for number 3. It may seem a bit of a strange choice, but I discovered it by accident and thought it was the most aesthetically pleasing. I liked the sound of 1, but it felt a bit sloppy and gave the impression of a lack of control, and 2 made it feel too jolting, but that may just be my poor articulation!
Sor Opus 60 no.2_mp3.wma
The first six lessons serve only as exercises for finding where each note is to be produced. Nevertheless, by following the indicated fingering and being careful not to lift any finger until it is needed elsewhere, or until the string it is on must be played at a lower fret or as an open string, the student will automatically acquire the habit of positioning the left hand correctly.
Lessons with no tempo indication should be studied slowly, increasing speed progressively as self-confidence is gained.
Therefore, though opens strings are not mentioned specifically, it seems that Fernando Sor thought there is no need to be over concerned with the damping of fretted notes. May be because in those days, with gut strings, guitars didn't have much sustain and the notes would decay more rapidly. As for me, I mostly concern myself with bass open string notes, those have indeed to be damped as, otherwise, they keep on ringing and the effect is noticeable. So, in this particular piece, although I use the "let it ring" approach most of the time, I do damp, with my right thumb, the open C in m.16 (and, moreover, there is a rest sign in the third beat of the measure), the open E in m.19, that I damp just before the start of m.20 and, again, the open E of m.23 which I damp with my thumb at the same time as I lift my finger 3 from the G in the 6th string in m.24. And that is all. As for the open Gs, well, I simply let it ring and as I play the piece a bit faster than you, they are not that noticeable.
Any way, this is done, congratulations. The #3 is next .
With this new rendition of yours, the table of posted records (TPR) is now as follows:
Sor's Opus 60 recorded pieces as of 08Nov18.png
Many thanks for your positive feedback and glad you enjoyed. It’s reassuring to know the work is paying off. These pieces certainly expose your naked technique and allow for a great evaluation of one’s playing.
I have the chanterelle edition too and noted Sor’s comments as you outlined above, which led me to believe I may be dreaming up the ringing issue. But as you’ve said, historically the instruments were different, so our new fangled boxes have created a problem, so to speak. As always it seems best to go with the ears! I figure if it’s controlled, deliberate and sonically pleasing it works!
I recorded #3 last night and have attached a link to my google drive below. I hope it works, as I couldn’t upload here due to the file being more than 1mb.
This piece took more work than 1 or 2, and it was a real challenge to get it to flow right. I’m happier with my tone here though and think I’ve solved a problem I had recently with a scratchy i finger. In restrospect I also think I milked the rubato a little at the end which I regret, so I may re-record in the future. I hope you enjoy -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v9qHaj ... p=drivesdk