Yamaha GC82S

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:45 pm

I have now set up a recording method and will post a few sample recordings of the sound of my GC82S. I used a Tascam DR60D with stereo Samson CO2 microphones, approximately 8" from the guitar pointed at the 12th fret and in between the bridge and the sound hole. The microphones were aimed roughly at the 3rd and 4th strings. Here are a few pictures:
Recording Setup_1.JPG
Recording Setup_2.JPG
The strings have been played for about 6 weeks (so a little less vibrant than when new) and the sound of the GC82S has lost its original slightly edgy tone after 10 months of playing. This is my first recording attempt and I found it a bit distracting...so pardon the few performance anomalies. I will post more samples to explore the tone colour and character of the instrument's voice after I optimize the microphone positioning.

The piece is Campanae Parisiences (The Bells of Paris) by Jean-Baptiste Besard, 1617 and the version was published in "The Guitar Review", Number 17, 1955 (24bit, 48Khz MP3 @320kbps):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3mzkss5i2952 ... 7.mp3?dl=0

As a matter of interest, here is the same recording in its original format (24 bit/96Khz WAV):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d01vlmximc3su ... 7.wav?dl=0
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Justfun » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:02 pm

Beautiful recording and guitar sounds very balanced.

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:09 pm

Justfun wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:02 pm
Beautiful recording and guitar sounds very balanced.

Fred
Boy that was fast... :mrgreen: Thanks Fred!
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Philosopherguy » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:58 pm

Very nice! Your playing is very good and the guitar sounds excellent! I love the sound of the bass strings. Nice little growl to them.

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:02 pm

Philosopherguy wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:58 pm
Very nice! Your playing is very good and the guitar sounds excellent! I love the sound of the bass strings. Nice little growl to them.

Martin
Thank you Martin. To put it mildly, I am delighted with the instrument's voice. It has clarity, balance, liveliness, resonance and body. It is very responsive and open and great with counterpoint. It is exactly what I was hoping for and I feel very lucky to have found that without ever hearing it in person or having a chance to play one.

I am beginning to get a handle on the touch required and the sound has warmed up a bit compared to when it was new.

I chose this piece as it shows the balance of the different registers well. Yes, the bass is lovely. I'll pick out some other pieces to show the lyrical sweetness, the tone colour variety and the dynamic range.

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by martinardo » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:46 pm

Yes, Douglas, very nice sound and playing. Places the Long Wait and various shipping problems into a better

perspective when one hears the real deal. Looking forward to some more pieces. :merci:
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by LipeB » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:57 pm

Very nice recording, Beowulf.

Did you do any audio post processing?

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:13 pm

LipeB wrote:
Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:57 pm
Very nice recording, Beowulf.

Did you do any audio post processing?
Thanks! Nope...just as recorded. If you listen through a good system, you will in particular hear more depth and warmth in the bass register. My computer speakers cannot handle the low end (E is 82.4Hz) and the sound is emphasized to the midrange/treble. When Torres improved the design of the classical guitar he enlarged the plantilla and this improved the bass response of the instrument. The same applies to speakers: if you want better bass response, use a larger driver. It is all about moving air and the wavelength at 82.4Hz is around 13.7 feet. Improvement can also be had by increasing the throw (displacement) of the cone...or sound board as it is driven by the vibration of the strings.

I might add a bit of reverb after I get my setup optimized...just to see what it is like as I am in a small room with carpeting, bookcases and window drapes. Rather short on room reverb and I am recording near field as well.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by souldier » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:12 pm

I generally do like to add a touch of reverb to guitar recordings and feel it brings us a bit closer to what it actually sounds like. I've heard some really dry recordings that made a high end guitar sound like a thrift store beater.

In the case of Douglas' recording, I think it actually sounds quite nice raw, but a bit of reverb might help as well. I still have yet to find a decent software that handles reverb for a guitar nicely.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by RJVB » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:26 am

souldier wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:12 pm
I still have yet to find a decent software that handles reverb for a guitar nicely.
Or get a ToneWoodAmp and let the guitar produce the reverb ;) :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:26 pm

Two more short pieces to try and capture a bit of the sweetness of the trebles and a bit of tone colour variation.

The first is "Come With Me, My Giselle" by Adam de la Halle (circa 1230-1287), transcribed and arranged by Albert Valdes Blain (the harmonics are my addition); this is followed by a pretty little "Minuetto" by Arcangelo Corelli, transcribed by Miguel Ablóniz.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf7to61mysafk ... t.wav?dl=0
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:55 pm

Hmm...it appears there have been around 250 views of my last post, and no comments. This leaves me with a mystery. Does the silence mean consensus that the recording attempt successfully captured the lyrical sweetness and tone colour variations of the instrument...or not? If not, I can try to record a different piece.

The microphones were in a slightly different position: approximately 15" away, slightly higher and pointed downward to the same areas as the first recording. The increase in distance may have slightly reduced the bass response.

Any comments will be appreciated
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by RJVB » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:45 pm

Since you ask (and I was one of the viewers): I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to listening to certain repertoire, so yeah, I'd say record something written for CG or at least when CGs as we know them existed.

That said; I looked up the instrument to know what we're talking about. 12k€ for a Yamaha... that evokes a whole other slew of mixed feelings I guess I'll be keeping to myself!
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:05 pm

RJVB wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:45 pm
Since you ask (and I was one of the viewers): I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to listening to certain repertoire, so yeah, I'd say record something written for CG or at least when CGs as we know them existed.

That said; I looked up the instrument to know what we're talking about. 12k€ for a Yamaha... that evokes a whole other slew of mixed feelings I guess I'll be keeping to myself!
The actual price was $9500 CDN which is equivalent to roughly 6.32K€.

As to repertoire, if my choices have made it difficult for you to discern the sound character of the instrument, I will consider doing a more traditional classical guitar piece. The point of the recordings was simply to allow my fellow delcampers to get a sense of the character and it appears these pieces did not work for you.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by RJVB » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:28 pm

Good for you that you found the guitar for a lot less!

The point of your recordings was clear, but, yeah, I think one can say that my judgment of the sound character would have been tainted by my feelings over the choice of repertoire. Then again I don't have a lot to compare against (re: sound character) so maybe I should have listened to my initial reflex and ignored your "bump" ...
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