Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by Flapjack » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:37 am

MrF1 wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:31 pm
You might want to take a look at the Cordoba C9 if you're now in the $700-800 range. I owned one for a few years and it was an outstanding guitar - I was hesitant about a mahogany b&s classical guitar, but there's something about the C9 that works quite well. I actually prefer the C9 over both the C10 and C12. Good luck!
I chose a C9 over a C10 after trying one of each. This does not mean that you will prefer a C9, but you might want to try one if you can. I never played a C12 or Esteso, so I cannot help you with those.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by Ramon Amira » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:07 am

7nights wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm
Guys, the budget all the sudden changes to $700-800 limit.
For new at $800, you cannot do better than a Yamaha GC12. Beats the hell out of a Cordoba C9, which even costs more.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by Scott Phillips » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:13 am

7nights wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm
Guys, the budget all the sudden changes to $700-800 limit.
I'd say you should be able to find a used Navarro for around 800 bucks. I paid 800 for one of their Flamencos two months ago. There are a lot of them on e - b a y and Reverb. Way better than Cordoba for the money. Usually for that kind of budget you aren't going to find THE one, but it's possible with a used Navarro.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by Flapjack » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:30 pm

Ramon Amira wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:07 am
7nights wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:51 pm
Guys, the budget all the sudden changes to $700-800 limit.
For new at $800, you cannot do better than a Yamaha GC12. Beats the hell out of a Cordoba C9, which even costs more.

Ramon
Now I want to try some GC series Yamaha's even more. I have never seen one in person.

One more suggestion: I would not buy any guitar without first playing it and examining it unless the return policy was generous. I am too picky about neck angle and other details.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by hatalap » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:19 am

I had a c12 limited, I sold it. Nice guitar, not really worth the price. Have a c9, it's a nice guitar. Don't play it all that much. The others listed here are good options. I'd also look at Alvarez, they have some good options for not all that much money especially used, and also Pavan if you can find one for sale.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by acmost9 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:37 am

A used Cordoba C10 Cedar could be a very nice choice. I enjoyed mine.

Wait for it...IMHO.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by 7nights » Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:35 pm

Absolutely. Thank you to all of you guys for your recommendations. I'm saving up and waiting until C12 CD used comes up to the used guitar market for around $800, that'd be a fair deal, I'd say. I already played SP and I liked it, the guitar sings in the hands, very easy to play. I also remember trying C9 out a long time ago, I remember some positive feelings about it, too. So, yes, I'll see how it goes, not disregarding all the other options mentioned above, I'm sure they are great, but I just trust w.e I tried myself. Thanks.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by Sguitarist » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:46 am

dta721 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:51 am
7nights: If you Google "M. Sakurai No.7 1975", you'll find a store in Toronto selling this (pretty much sought after) guitar for less than 1K Canadians $. Since they sell on Reverb before, I am sure they can ship to you with ease!

For this kind of guitar, I'd say you can buy without trying it out, being a proud owner of a M. Sakurai No. 5 1976!
Fully agree! Given his reputation now. His guitar goes at Guitar Salon for US$6500!

Though, he is very reputable now and has made many improvements on his guitar designs and constructions. Is still worth the price given is CAD below $1k.

You can watch his documentary on the YouTube link here. (

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by dta721 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:21 pm

@Sguitarist, I appreciate your recognition of M. Sakurai's guitars, although I find the video a bit much more than needed for this post, and some argues it is more of PR than scientific value. My point is that the OP have played and knew what s/he likes (sorry, can't tell from the User Id), and that matters most. The case is pretty much closed! :)

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by 7nights » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:14 am

Guys, I have an update for you. I've purchased a slightly used C12 Limited for $800 and I have to say for now that I'm pretty disappointed. Maybe the guitar needs a proper setup. Going to bring it over to a luthier tomorrow, leave it for a week, give it some time, let's see how it goes. I'll keep you posted.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by Scott Phillips » Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:55 am

If it’s a spruce top, and has set awhile, it probably needs to be played to open up a bit. Also once the guitar has been played in a little, a lot can be done with strings to alter the sound a bit. How do you find the tone? I mean, how would you describe it? I had a C10 that had a rather hard/glassy sound. It was spruce, and a lot of the tone, I believe, was due to the thick polyurethane finish. At least yours is the pretty wood. And you got it for a good price. There is one on Reverb right now for 1700 used.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by 7nights » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:32 pm

Yes, it's SP. Let's see what the luthier says. I think the guitar just needs a proper setup and the new set of strings and it will sing full voice.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by lamefugitive » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:11 pm

I recently played back and forth in a store a few Kremona models: Solea, Romida, and Fiesta, and a Cordoba C12. I thought that the Solea and the Cordoba were the best looking guitars on the rack, the Fiesta had some weird ornamentation that I didn't like on the headstock, but that and the Romida that were there blew away the other guitars there. I thought that the C12 felt plasticky compared to the Kremonas, which had a more open sound and a bit less finish on them, making you feel like you were closer to the wood. The Solea that I played was really crisp and tight sounding, maybe after a few years playing it would open and soften a bit and really project, but it too felt and sounded like a better made guitar than the C12. The C12 did have good loud response all up and down the fretboard, noticeably so, which I liked, but in general, the sound was thinner than on the comparable Kremonas.

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by 7nights » Mon Aug 20, 2018 8:20 pm

I agree. I feel exactly the same way.
Any of you guys checked out Cordoba Master series guitars?

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Re: Cordoba C12 vs Esteso

Post by 7nights » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:29 pm

Hello, friends. I have some updates. Successfully sold my C12, added some extra cash, ready to step up to the Master series.
Now considering Esteso vs Torres. Both used, great condition, as per their owners.
Opinions?

Really appreciate your feedback.

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