Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by beanctr » Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:29 pm

I have a very nice Alverez Yairi from 1986 that is 660 which I guess most of them where back then. I really can't tell the difference between it and a 650. Now I also have a Ramirez 2A from 1975, and yes you can tell it's a long scale. I guess it just depends on the guitar. R
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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by GuitarsWeB » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:08 pm

beanctr wrote:
Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:29 pm
I have a very nice Alverez Yairi from 1986 that is 660 which I guess most of them where back then. I really can't tell the difference between it and a 650. Now I also have a Ramirez 2A from 1975, and yes you can tell it's a long scale. I guess it just depends on the guitar. R
Yes! It’s the way the guitar is made and set up. I was just at Oribe’s home last week. This is Jose’s personal instrument...Birdseye Maple, cedar totally French Polished and 665mm. All I can say is...it plays like a dream.
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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by RikRoberts » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:41 am

Last year I had in my possession a Stephen Hill 668 scale! A commission built guitar from 2005. I didn't notice it being any harder to play.

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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by zupfgeiger » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:12 am

rikroberts wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:41 am
Last year I had in my possession a Stephen Hill 668 scale! A commission built guitar from 2005. I didn't notice it being any harder to play.
It all depends on the size of your hands. If you have small hands, playing BWV 999 bar 15 with the famous stretch from first to fifth fret will be no pleasure on a 660/54,5 guitar.
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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by Charles Mokotoff » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:04 pm

Keep in mind: if you buy it and fall out of love, with those measurements (maybe more so the nut width than the 660 length) it will be very difficult to sell. I am personally so finicky that I rarely consider any guitar that isn't spruce or cedar, rosewood back and sides and 650/52. That makes me part of the problem, I know. But I have had just too much trouble moving any guitar that doesn't conform to that "standard".

However, I have played guitars of the size you describe and found adjusting to them not difficult. I have average size hands, and am an experienced guitarist. Personally, I would not buy this guitar without playing it first.
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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by vesa » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:38 pm

Hi wombosi

The specific stretch you mention mention in ¨Choro de saudade¨
will be added about 2 mm between 1st and 2nd finger
when changing from 650 scale to 660.
You can test it by adding 2mm to 4th, 5th and 6th frets and marking it somehow,
if you do not feel a big difference why not buy it.
As you mention 50.5 nut spacing is really a pain for us
big guys with long fingers, 53 or even 54 is much better.
If somebody is saying, you can not sell it, this person is maybe one with short fingers.
For me buying a long scale would not be an issue.
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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by GuitarsWeB » Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:43 am

when changing from 650 scale to 660.
You can test it by adding 2mm to 4th, 5th and 6th frets
Don’t understanding what you are writing here. The distance differential between a 650mm and 660mm, 1st to 6th fret is a tad less than 2mm about 1.8mm

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Re: Great guitar, great price, but 660 scale. Deal breaker?

Post by acousticart » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:26 am

I had a 76 Rameriz 1A that was 664 that somebody had file the frets very flat and was tough to play until I re-fretted it with some of the same fret wire used by Rameriz. It made a huge difference in barring. I used it that way for a few years and the neck gradually developed more of a bow, again making it hard to play. As I was approaching my Master's recital, I took it to Yuris Zeltins and he heat bent the neck for me. I was very lucky that he got to it right away because my recital was only months away and I couldn't be without it for long. When I got it back, it was a new guitar. It always sounded great, but now it was a real pleasure to play. Later on, I had an 82' Calidad Suprema from Jose Oribe that had a 666mm scale. It was a beautiful playing guitar! Now I have a 2005 Fritz Ober which is influenced by Hauser I and has the standard 650mm scale and 52mm nut. I love it, but sometimes I wish I could buy my 76' Rameriz back. On the other hand, I am intrigued by the various 640mm or even smaller scale guitars, especially now that I have been having some issues with my hands lately. I haven't had the opportunity to try one yet, but suspect the ease of play will depend more on the quality of the setup than the scale length.
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