Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

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palosanto
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Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by palosanto » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:58 pm

Hello everyone,
I'm new to the forum and tried to search for a comparison between Ramirez 125 anos and the R4 but not been able to find this particular combination although I found 125 vs 4E which I believe is similar to R4.
I have the opportunity to buy either one for CAD $2,000. Both in immaculate condition.
In any case there are things worth considering such as:
The 125 anos: Cedar top, year 2011
The R4: Spruce top, year 1998

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Re: Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by Jacek A. Rochacki » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:03 pm

I have been test playing both models. And I belong to these who prefer 125 Anos over the 4R. The 4NE and it's predecessor 4E) is of higher quality then both mentioned models.

I think that the choice between 125 Anos and R4 also depends on type of sounds that you like - it may be the question: cedar vs spruce; some people say that the Ramirez sound (whatever it means) comes also from cedar tops; from certain moment the Jose Ramirez guitars (1A) were made with cedar tops that provides warm sound. I belong to these who prefer cedar tops but again it may be highly subjective.

Please keep us informed on your choice

with my best

Jacek
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Re: Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by Philosopherguy » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:28 am

I have played both guitars numerous times and I prefer the 125Anos much more than the R4. I have a 130Anos and I really enjoy it. It is probably my favourite guitar to play. The R4 is supposed to have some design differences. The 125Anos is based on the E series guitars and shares most of their construction details. As Jacek mentions, the 4NE or 4E can be nice, but then again I have heard 125 Anos and 130 Anos guitars that sounded better than some 4NE's.

At the end of the day, I would try them both and decide. But, my advice would be the 125 Anos. For some reason, many of the 4R's seem to get a crack in the top that runs right beside the neck. This is not an uncommon problem in any guitars, but the 4R is very prone to this issue. I have never yet seen a 125Anos or a 130Anos with that problem. I have run across 4 or 5 4R's that have had that issue. It's an easy fix, but just lowers the value of the guitar.

My opinion...

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Martin
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Re: Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by Lovemyguitar » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:33 am

I would also recommend the 125 Años over the R4 -- if nothing else than for the age and price -- $2000 is a lot for a 1998 guitar, if both instruments are in similar condition. If you can try them first, then of course, buy the one you like the best, but if not, I wouldn't hesitate to buy the 125 Años, as they are, by all accounts, known to be exceptional guitars.

I happen to own a 4E, which is similar to the Años (as Philosopher guy mentioned), and it's a fabulous guitar. As Jacek noted, the cedar top is much more typical for the Ramirez guitars of this era than spruce, so that, too, would incline me towards the Años.

Whatever you decide, enjoy!

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Re: Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by palosanto » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:33 am

Thank you some much all of you. That certainly makes my decision much easier ! ...
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Re: Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by MessyTendon » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:52 pm

And it's a beautiful guitar to enjoy for a lifetime :) The 125...

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Re: Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by JRomano » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:14 am

I had a 125, and regret ever giving it up. They are lovely guitars and they have remarkable projection. I'd go for that. And it has a pretty rosette.

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Re: Ramirez 2011 125 anos vs '98 R4

Post by Smith » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:27 pm

I don’t know the R4 but I can’t resist a chance to rave about my 125Anos. I paid about CAD $2000 (used) around 4 years ago and I love it. It just happened to be something decent available fairly nearby so I bought it. It is cedar, sturdy, and awesome.

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