Asturias guitars

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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by dandan » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:57 am

The AST30 cost 30,000 yen in the early 80s, making it Asturias' entry level model at that time. Still a great student workhorse guitar though, bearing in mind Asturias current range starts at around £1500 here in England.
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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by HNLim » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:47 pm

I have this brochure that I collected in the 1970's. The following models are listed:
1. AST-50
2. AST-60
3. AST-80
4. A-5
5. A-7
6. A10
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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by waikuentsui » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:00 pm

@HNLim;

Am I correct to assume that,
AST50 is the lowest and A10 is the highest model in the brochure?
Correct me if I am wrong.
Any listed prices in the brochure?
Thank you in advance.

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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by HNLim » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:01 pm

I don't have the price list but I hope the pictures help.
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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by waikuentsui » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:00 am

Thank you for the pictures.
I think the A series is different in the bracing pattern.

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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by dandan » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:01 am

That makes sense, because I think model numbers are related to price in yen. AST50 was 50,000 yen etc. and A5 was the same price. A10 would have been the top model at that time at 100,000 yen.
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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by andreas777 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:00 pm

Beside some Spanish guitars I own 4 Asturias guitars, all in almost mint condition:

-a "Standard" model with spruce top
-a "Standard" model with cedar top
-a "Tsuji S-1" model with cedar top
-a "John Mills 20 S" model with spruce top

I think Asturias guitars are good, very good guitars, but not top of the range. If you are looking for a concert guitar and your budget is beyond $3000 then you might look for other world class luthiers. But below $3000 I think Asturias can be great choice as you get a lot of value for small money.

The quality of all Asturias models I have seen was very good. If you look in the inside of a guitar you see that every part fits perfectly together, with no gaps, and you won't find any ugly pieces or traces of glue. This is different to many Spanish guitars where you can find traces of glue even in expensive models.

Every guitar has a different sound, so I think there is no typical Asturias sound, and even no typical Japanese sound, compared to Spanish guitars. The models with cedar top are louder than the models with spruce top, what is typical for cedar/spruce wood.

If you read guitar books written by luthiers, then you can learn that loudness is not the only criteria for the quality of a guitar. Sustain is another very important critaria, and loud guitars often misses sustain and vice versa. People often try to buy a loud guitar and disregard the sustain, like buyers of digital cameras that only look for a high number of pixels.

Some time ago I brought my John Mills guitar to a luthier to renew its finish. Now it's completely covered with Shellac and it must be the best preserved JM in the world I guess. The loudness of this guitar is only medium but the sound and the sustain is really great. But at the end it depends on someones preferences and the music that should be played on the instrument.

I hope my information helps somehow :)
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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by Misfit Minstrel » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:00 pm

Hello,

I have an Asturias Custom Spruce top 2006 which is in good condition but not mint. Two minor scratches repaired by a luthier; one on the top and one on the back. I changed new Gotoh tuners last summer. Very nice playability, not loud - as mentioned here - but good sustain. Asturias Custom was sold in Europe (by a large German online shop) at around 3000 euros.

I would appreciate if somebody could help me with pricing this guitar.

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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by kefroeschner » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:43 pm

I have just acquired an Asturias AST 60 and am a bit confused about date of manufacture. The label inside reads:

HAND-CRAFTED
ASTURIAS
by M. Matano (then a hand written signature in blue: 'M.Matano')
MODEL NO. AST60 JAPAN

The previous owner opined that it was made in 1980 or 1981, because (he says) the designations were changed from 'Axx' to 'ASTxx' when the company was taken over by Rokkoman in 1980, and Matano 'disappeared' in 1981.

The Serial Number, however, stamped on the brace under the f'board is '771203' which looks to me very like a date of manufacture, i.e. 3 December 1977.

And the OP of this thread apparently has a brochure from 'the 70's' which lists both 'Axx' and ASTxx' models.

Not a big deal, just curious. The guitar is beautiful and has got me plating again. Needs some 'owies' in the top finish fixed, but not yet.

Does anyone know what the finish on it might be -- lacquer, nitrocellulose, varnish, urethane ... ? Would be good to know before I attempt fixes.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by kefroeschner » Fri Aug 14, 2015 8:22 pm

Found a bit more about my Asturias, thanks to HNLim and victork and others:

The Axx and ASTxx were made at the same time, Axx had Solid European Spruce, the ASTxx Solid Cedar tops. The bracing may have been different as well. The label that reads 'Hand crafted / ASTURIAS / by M Matano / etc. began as early as 1976. Earlier labels have M Matano, no 'Asturias.'

There is indeed a connection to 'Cervantes.' Also to 'Aria' and 'Kohne.' See victork's offerings on e - b a y -- he has extensive discussions about his stuff, much of which is Asturias and related.

The number stamped on the brace is indeed the manufacture date: YYMMDD, so my 771203 is 3 December 1977.

The finish is lacquer of some variety as lacquer thinner dissolves it. I have begun repairing the few 'owies' by filling with lacquer then scraping with a microscope glass slide -- works beautifully.

And as almost everyone on this thread agrees -- it sounds and plays wonderfully :)
1977 Asturias AST 60, signed by M. Matano
1979 Kazuo Hashimoto C-30
1970's Shinano No. 55
1970's Grand Shinano GS 150
1970's Matsumoku 'Lyle' C-640
1971 CONN C-20
'De Gama' No. 5102, signed
Dean Espana
Ibanez AEL 4012S 12 string
Several Dulcimers in work

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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by CathyCate » Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:52 am

Walkeuntsui observed:
I think guitars are like people. They may have the same parents, but siblings are all different.
I agree completely with this sound advice. Guitars have individual characteristics. Try to purchase "on approval" once you have made your decision. That way you will be able to play the guitar and return it to the seller in the event that it fails to meet your expectations.
That said, I have had decades of pleasure from my Asturias. I purchased the John Mills model. It has served me well, still sounds great, and has required very little care and feeding. I had the bridge and frets replaced last winter. Plays beautifully. I cannot part with this treasured workhorse, even though I acquired my "dream guitar" last summer.
Enjoy the hunt!
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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by Pcppps » Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm

Mind reposting the old asturias brochure? Wanna know the spec of asturias a 10 in matano era

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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by rinneby » Sat May 18, 2019 4:58 pm

Pcppps wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Mind reposting the old asturias brochure? Wanna know the spec of asturias a 10 in matano era
Most likely solid spruce top and solid indian back and sides? If you are referring to A10.

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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by soltirefa » Sat May 18, 2019 6:17 pm

This is my Asturias guitar.


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Re: Asturias guitars

Post by Pcppps » Sun May 19, 2019 12:23 am

rinneby wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:58 pm
Pcppps wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm
Mind reposting the old asturias brochure? Wanna know the spec of asturias a 10 in matano era
Most likely solid spruce top and solid indian back and sides? If you are referring to A10.

/J
Thsnks a lot!!!! The back and side i saw are so dark and i just wonder. Thanks

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