As I say, I'm not an expert. But Hill measures the saddle height from the top of the 1st fret, not the bottom of the nut groove, taking his measurement at the 12th fret.Sasquatch51 wrote:I've never done this when adjusting the saddle. I do when I'm checking neck relief, but not adjusting the sadlle.Guitar Slim wrote:The strings should be fretted or capo'd at the first fret before making the measurement.
I can't find my copy at the moment, but I believe the first time I saw this method used was in Dan Erlewine's Guitar Player Repair Guide.I measure the saddle height by laying a straight edge on the 1st fret and the bone saddle, and measuring at the 12th fret. This can also be measured without a straight edge by just fretting the string at the 1st fret, but since a string is flexible, and round, it's harder to get an exact measurement. My standard "average" height is 3.2 mm for the 6th string and 2.7 mm for the 1st string.
Sure, if your only frame of reference is your own guitar. If you're only measuring to see how much change there's been from a previous measurement on the same instrument, then it really doesn't matter. Like I said, it's all relative.Ronald Coates wrote:Measuring at the 12th fret with a capoed 1st fret or the string resting in the nut. Really doesn't matter much.
All of this is quite true, although I can't imagine why I would care about Hill's set up. Then again this isn't about me is it? You're right doug asked for specifics. Here is trhe point. You wrote ;Guitar Slim wrote:[
But my point was this: Doug asked for specific measurements. If you are comparing your own string height to some standard or to someone else's setup, then it is important to use the same method.
Even if the difference is only .5 mm or less -- that difference can still be significant, especially if you are shooting for very low action. 0.5mm can be the difference between a relatively clean sound and a nasty buzz.
Maybe because he's a well-known and respected maker of classical guitars?Ronald Coates wrote: All of this is quite true, although I can't imagine why I would care about Hill's set up.
Guitar Slim wrote:Maybe because he's a well-known and respected maker of classical guitars?Ronald Coates wrote: All of this is quite true, although I can't imagine why I would care about Hill's set up.
No need to be a smart alec, Ron. Doug asked for specific measurements. A quick search of the internet turned up this article by Hill, with the specific measurements Doug was looking for, and Hill's method for taking those measurements. I thought Doug might find it useful.
BTW, here's a link to Hill's site if anyone (other than Ron) cares to read it:
Click on the "news" link to find a number of articles Hill has written, including the one on setting up a classical guitar.
Sasquatch, I'm not sure why saddle height is measured from the first fret and not from the nut. I just know that several sources I've encountered recommend this method, and if I'm comparing my measurements to theirs, I would prefer to use thier method for the sake or accuracy.
I'm just speculating, but fretting at the first fret takes the nut out of the equation, right. String buzz that is caused by a low saddle usually occurs when fretting notes, so the nut is not a factor anyway (well, unless you're talking about "back buzz"). If you are getting buzz from unfretted, open notes, then the problem probably is with the nut and not the saddle height (unless your action is way too low).
Like I said, I'm not an expert. I'm just passing on what I've read and heard from those who are.
No need at all to apologize. If anyone was being a smart alec it was me. I can get a little stressed and snippy sometimes at work, which is where I usually fire off these posts during breaks and the odd slow period.Ronald Coates wrote:I wasn't try to be flipant. If I came across that way I apologize. I meant why would I care about hill's set up or anyone elses... In that you need to set up the guitar based on what you have in that specific guitar. Again sorry for any hostility that came across in my post. None intended.