We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Bryan Pannell » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:36 pm

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rinneby wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:36 am
Bryan Pannell wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:40 am
Need information about early 1960’s Kohno / fleta
Hybrid prototype , no label guitars.

All input appreciated .
What do you want to know? I'm afraid It's impossible to tell without any pictures.

Kind regards from Sweden
/Jon
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:39 pm

Bryan Pannell wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:36 pm
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rinneby wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:36 am
Bryan Pannell wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:40 am
Need information about early 1960’s Kohno / fleta
Hybrid prototype , no label guitars.

All input appreciated .
What do you want to know? I'm afraid It's impossible to tell without any pictures.

Kind regards from Sweden
/Jon
Well, looking at the headstock and back of the guitar, it sure looks like an early Kohno, before 1963. What makes you think its a "prototype"? Kohno guitars from this era are traditional Spanish, fan braced guitars. They are usually very good. I played a 1963 that I did not like though, but a few 1964 and 65 that where great.

The tuners are obviously replaced and someone liked the guitar very much, its been played a lot, that is usually a good sign :)

/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
2016 - Pete Beer

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Bryan Pannell » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:50 pm

Was purchased in 1962 in Japan . Haven’t seen the brace pattern yet. Going to look at it tomorrow .

The current owner said a friend of his , Bach trinh, took the guitar to Sophocles pappas , because he was curious about the guitar .

Pappas confirmed it was a Kohno , but there is no paperwork to support the story .

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Bryan Pannell » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:51 pm

In 1979 is when pappas was to have examined the guitar .

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:51 pm

Bryan Pannell wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:50 pm
Was purchased in 1962 in Japan . Haven’t seen the brace pattern yet. Going to look at it tomorrow .

The current owner said a friend of his , Bach trinh, took the guitar to Sophocles pappas , because he was curious about the guitar .

Pappas confirmed it was a Kohno , but there is no paperwork to support the story .
It's a Kohno for sure. Or rather a Kono, as he called him self before 1965.

/Jon
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Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by rinneby » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:53 pm

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1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
2016 - Pete Beer

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Bryan Pannell » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:59 pm

Tuners have been changed . This is the third set it’s had so far in its lifetime .

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Bryan Pannell » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:00 am

Thank you for taking the time to look and to offer your input . All information is appreciated .

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:53 pm

Not all Konos of that era were traditionally braced. I had a 1962 Kono with an interesting locking fan style bracing. See pic below:
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Post by rinneby » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:56 pm

dandan wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:53 pm
Not all Konos of that era were traditionally braced. I had a 1962 Kono with an interesting locking fan style bracing. See pic below:
Well, that certainly confirms that not ALL early Kono's are great? ;) Jokes aside, I never heard such guitar.

/Jon
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Post by dandan » Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:02 pm

rinneby wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:56 pm
dandan wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:53 pm
Not all Konos of that era were traditionally braced. I had a 1962 Kono with an interesting locking fan style bracing. See pic below:
Well, that certainly confirms that not ALL early Kono's are great? ;) Jokes aside, I never heard such guitar.

/Jon
Totally different to any other guitar I've played. It was a loud, brash guitar, not tonally to my taste, but it had some power. The guy I sold it to loved it.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Jorge Oliveira » Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:18 pm

Leo wrote:
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Many thanks for your advice, Christian. That settles it, then, we will leave the Matsuoka 40 as it is 8). I'll see if I can change a bit the "colour" of the guitar - I wanted it a bit more brighter - by experimenting with different strings. Any ideas, folks? :D
For more brightness and also very sweet strings, I would recommend Aquila Alchemia strings, they are my favorite strings, and work very well on one guitar that I own which needs more brightness and volume in the trebles. They do have squeaky sound to them as you slide your fingers up and down the fretboard when changing position on the trebles, but this sound goes away as you play them in. Also Aquila Rubino are very bright and worth a try, both these strings are a better option compared to carbon strings, that are thinner in sound quality and higher in tension.
Many thanks, Leo, for your advice on Aquila strings. However, my supplier is Guitarras de Luthier in Madrid and they only have Aquila Alabastro and Aquila Perla, both nylon and normal tension strings which, they say, mimic gut strings. I will have to search for an European supplier of the Aquila Alchemia and Rubino types. But I hope they are not gut like, as the action of my guitars have been adjusted to high tension strings and I'm afraid normal tension strings may buzz... :(.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by Leo » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:57 pm

Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 4:18 pm
Leo wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:47 pm
Jorge Oliveira wrote:
Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:21 pm
...
Many thanks for your advice, Christian. That settles it, then, we will leave the Matsuoka 40 as it is 8). I'll see if I can change a bit the "colour" of the guitar - I wanted it a bit more brighter - by experimenting with different strings. Any ideas, folks? :D
For more brightness and also very sweet strings, I would recommend Aquila Alchemia strings, they are my favorite strings, and work very well on one guitar that I own which needs more brightness and volume in the trebles. They do have squeaky sound to them as you slide your fingers up and down the fretboard when changing position on the trebles, but this sound goes away as you play them in. Also Aquila Rubino are very bright and worth a try, both these strings are a better option compared to carbon strings, that are thinner in sound quality and higher in tension.
Many thanks, Leo, for your advice on Aquila strings. However, my supplier is Guitarras de Luthier in Madrid and they only have Aquila Alabastro and Aquila Perla, both nylon and normal tension strings which, they say, mimic gut strings. I will have to search for an European supplier of the Aquila Alchemia and Rubino types. But I hope they are not gut like, as the action of my guitars have been adjusted to high tension strings and I'm afraid normal tension strings may buzz... :(.
Alchemia comes in normal tension and superior tension (high). I use normal tension, which is higher in tension than most normal tension nylons, but not as high as carbon strings. Strings and Beyond a US based supplier has both sets and also the Rubino strings. The Rubino strings are also higher in tension than nylon, and have a higher tension than the Alchemia. Strings and Beyond has good prices and does ship internationally, not sure of the costs, but they do have different pricing levels for shipments. Aquila has many good strings, but these two are my favorites.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by tonechaser » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:02 pm

I have a chip in the back of the neck on my cashew-finished 1964 Kono. It's located such that it actually interferes with playing and I really need to drop-fill. I can use shellac, nitro, super-glue, poly or any other material available in Texas... but I have no access to cashew. Which available material would be the best option for the drop-fill? Thanks.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by starvingwalker » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:57 pm

This one has really got us stumped. Small body, possibly all-solid, with this tapered fretboard where the bass strings run out of real estate after the neck meets the body. No label, just a Made in Japan sticker and a serial number on the neck block #54080585

Any ideas as to who might've made this one?
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