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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:52 am

powermrk wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:10 am
Hi everyone, I occasionally see Masaru Matano's all solid model clase 1000 for sale online.

The earliest clase 1000 I can find was made in 1975. I am wondering if anyone here has played or owned this model?

How would model 1000 compare with 500 and 600 in tonal quality and playability?

Thanks
It was the top model at the time. In 1973 the top model was 600, in 1975 the "same" guitar was 1000. Should be a good pick, I have never played one though.

/J
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
1975 - Ikkoh Kawada No.1000
2016 - Juan Miguel Carmona
2016 - Pete Beer

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by dandan » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:20 pm

rinneby wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:52 am
powermrk wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:10 am
Hi everyone, I occasionally see Masaru Matano's all solid model clase 1000 for sale online.

The earliest clase 1000 I can find was made in 1975. I am wondering if anyone here has played or owned this model?

How would model 1000 compare with 500 and 600 in tonal quality and playability?

Thanks
It was the top model at the time. In 1973 the top model was 600, in 1975 the "same" guitar was 1000. Should be a good pick, I have never played one though.

/J
The later model 1000s I've seen were more of a Hauser style with a spruce top. I'm sure they're fine guitars, but I believe Matano's strength was in Ramirez copies.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by spronev » Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:58 pm

dandan wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:20 pm
rinneby wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:52 am
powermrk wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:10 am
Hi everyone, I occasionally see Masaru Matano's all solid model clase 1000 for sale online.

The earliest clase 1000 I can find was made in 1975. I am wondering if anyone here has played or owned this model?

How would model 1000 compare with 500 and 600 in tonal quality and playability?

Thanks
It was the top model at the time. In 1973 the top model was 600, in 1975 the "same" guitar was 1000. Should be a good pick, I have never played one though.

/J
The later model 1000s I've seen were more of a Hauser style with a spruce top. I'm sure they're fine guitars, but I believe Matano's strength was in Ramirez copies.
I have never played a model 1000 either but had a model 800 from 1974 and it was a cedar-top and Brazilian b/s Ramirez copy including cypress-lined sides (which lower models don't have). It was a nice guitar but wasn't in a good condition and that's why I didn't keep it. I can't say it was better in sound than the 1973 models 500 and 600 but quite similar.

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:51 pm

dandan wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:20 pm
The later model 1000s I've seen were more of a Hauser style with a spruce top. I'm sure they're fine guitars, but I believe Matano's strength was in Ramirez copies.
Interesting. I didn't know that. By later you mean after 1975?

/J
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
1975 - Ikkoh Kawada No.1000
2016 - Juan Miguel Carmona
2016 - Pete Beer

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Post by dandan » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:11 pm

rinneby wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:51 pm
dandan wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:20 pm
The later model 1000s I've seen were more of a Hauser style with a spruce top. I'm sure they're fine guitars, but I believe Matano's strength was in Ramirez copies.
Interesting. I didn't know that. By later you mean after 1975?

/J
The couple I saw were 1977 and 1978.
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by powermrk » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:38 am

Moreover, the model 1000s are solid b/s. Not sure if it's same as 800s.

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Post by gleb » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:07 am

I am happy owner of a Masaru Matano F400 (1973)
Top: solid cedar
B&S: solid cypress
Bracing: José Ramirez II (1954)
At the sound level I prefer my f400, compared to Ramirez 1A (in addition, it has the most comfortable neck)
Segovia has done a great advertisement for the Ramirez house and that's all..
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:16 am

gleb wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:07 am
I am happy owner of a Masaru Matano F400 (1973)
Top: solid cedar
B&S: solid cypress
Bracing: José Ramirez II (1954)
At the sound level I prefer my f400, compared to Ramirez 1A (in addition, it has the most comfortable neck)
Segovia has done a great advertisement for the Ramirez house and that's all..
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This is quite a rare one! Great find. Interesting nut...

Do you use is as a flamenco?

/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
1975 - Ikkoh Kawada No.1000
2016 - Juan Miguel Carmona
2016 - Pete Beer

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by gleb » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:22 pm

rinneby wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:16 am
This is quite a rare one! Great find. Interesting nut...

Do you use is as a flamenco?

/Jon
You're right it's a flamenco style and it's rare. I found it by chance on a famous auction japanese for € 170 :mrgreen:
Most use to play the normal classic and it is becoming my favorite - it seems to be a guitar of those "with the soul", more sound and more I like its sustain, bass, harmonics, timbres etc ..
In fact, the lower bone is interestingly integrated into only the fingerboard without touching the neck itself.
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The bracing is identical to that of José Ramirez (first top left)
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I saw the same on some Matano classe 400/500 models, for example this classe 400/1973 which by the way now on sale on the e..y for $ 1500
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:15 pm

Here's my review for the Hiroumi Yamaguchi 30 C - 1987.

This Hiroumi Yamaguchi (master luthier at Cervantes and Asturias) was the top model, built in the late 80s for a short period of time. Actually, I've never seen another one like this, only the "30 S" - which is the spruce model. The 30 C has solid cedar and solid Indian rosewood back and sides, ebony fretboard and Gotoh tuners. The neck is very comfortable, at least for my medium sized hands. Sound wise I would describe the guitar as clear and focused, with nice sustain and overtones. A certain "glow" can be heard, not unlike a good old Ramirez 1A or a Kohno from the 70s. The guitar is even sounding up and down the neck, while also being quite "forgiving", so to speak. It's not a lightly built instrument, but not very heavy ether, somewhere in the middle I guess. I'm pleasantly surprised by the build quality. This guitar will stay with me for a while, as I enjoy playing it. One of the better Japanese guitars I've come across lately.

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All the best from Sweden
/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
1975 - Ikkoh Kawada No.1000
2016 - Juan Miguel Carmona
2016 - Pete Beer

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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by tkoehler1 » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:34 pm

rinneby wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:15 pm
Here's my review for the Hiroumi Yamaguchi 30 C - 1987.

What a beautiful old thing.

You have an eye for tops!

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Post by The_Axis » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:43 pm

I was given a neglected Aria A551B from a friend. He thought it was a cheap worthless guitar and knew I appreciated classical guitars. I played it in its neglected state and felt some mojo in the guitar, a glance at the label I saw "Made in Japan" so I took it. I spent hours cleaning it inside and out, the wood was extremely dry and I slowly re humidified it. After all the work I was left with one of the most beautiful sounding guitars I've ever played. It has become my primary guitar and I continue to fall in love with it. The tones are so balanced and the guitar sustains forever, just a joy to play and hear. It is the only guitar that has a tone like Segovia's Remariez, the tone that made me fall in love with classical guitar. I don't know much about these guitars but I never expected much of it at first.

I now will always keep an eye out for Aria guitars! A new favorite of mine!
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by rinneby » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:59 pm

tkoehler1 wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:34 pm
rinneby wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:15 pm
Here's my review for the Hiroumi Yamaguchi 30 C - 1987.

What a beautiful old thing.

You have an eye for tops!
Thank you. Old, but still so young :)

/J
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
1975 - Ikkoh Kawada No.1000
2016 - Juan Miguel Carmona
2016 - Pete Beer

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by dandan » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:51 pm

rinneby wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:59 pm
tkoehler1 wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:34 pm
rinneby wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:15 pm
Here's my review for the Hiroumi Yamaguchi 30 C - 1987.

What a beautiful old thing.

You have an eye for tops!
Thank you. Old, but still so young :)

/J
My Yamaguchi is like a new guitar to me, at a mere 22 years young!
1966 Sakazo Nakade D
1969 Rokutaro Nakade A9
1977 Aria AG80 (Masaru Takeiri)
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Re: We who love Japanese classical guitars - Delcamp

Post by musguitar » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:39 am

gleb wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:07 am
I am happy owner of a Masaru Matano F400 (1973)
Top: solid cedar
B&S: solid cypress
Bracing: José Ramirez II (1954)
At the sound level I prefer my f400, compared to Ramirez 1A (in addition, it has the most comfortable neck)
Segovia has done a great advertisement for the Ramirez house and that's all..
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100% agree-- Ramirez benefited from Segovia's endorsement but some Japanese luthiers improved on the Ramirez design and 'outclassed' the 1A in tonality. Congrats to your Matano find.

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