NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by RobMacKillop » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:50 pm

This photo was taken today during my mini recital for the Scottish Lute and Early Guitar Society. With sun shining on the guitar, you could see all five fan struts - or so I was told. You can just about see them in this phone-shot photo:
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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by tateharmann » Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:16 am

SUPER cool! :) Did that 19th century footstool come with the guitar!? haha

I've been taking a trip down the rabbit hole and keeping my eye on a number of Valencia school guitars that are at least older than the 1940s (when nylon strings became the norm).

Good job on that string splice too, btw. I've done the 6th string one but never the other one that you did quite well ;)
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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by RobMacKillop » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:42 am

Not my footstool, but I wish it was. There's a photograph of Tárrega with something similar. It was one of our very informal tri-monthly gatherings, and my Show And Tell session was more interesting than usual, thanks to this guitar.

I'd like to know what the characteristics of a Valencian guitar are.

Well, it was my wife's handiwork, but I think I could do it now.

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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by sxedio » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:46 am

tateharmann wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:16 am
Did that 19th century footstool come with the guitar!? haha
That was exactly my thought! Cool pic Rob.
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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by tateharmann » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:32 pm

RobMacKillop wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:42 am
I'd like to know what the characteristics of a Valencian guitar are.
That's something I've been investigating in depth - everything is still a jumbled mess so I won't share until I'm sure it makes sense.

I've also got my eye on a couple of Andres Marin guitars :)
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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by RobMacKillop » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:58 pm

Okay. Understood. In your own time, Tate. I know you'll do a good job.

That's Marin without a t in the middle? ;-)

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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by tateharmann » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:18 pm

Yep! Andrés Marín - he was one of the more famous builders from Valencia: http://members.upc.nl/a.bogaard241/inde ... earch9.htm

That site is one of sites I'm using for research.

I don't know how true it is but supposedly Augustin Barrios played a Marín for a while.
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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by RobMacKillop » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:48 pm

I had heard of him before, but haven't heard one of his guitars. Did Barrios use them in his recordings, or was that his Ramirez?

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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by tateharmann » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:14 pm

Here's what wiki says regarding his instruments:
He is documented by photograph to have played the instruments of Spanish makers José Ramírez I, Enrique García, Francisco Simplicio, Domingo Esteso, Enrique Sanfeliu and Ricardo Sanchis Nacher, Brazilian maker Di Giorgio, and in print by Uruguayan maker Rodolfo Camacho.
Sounds like he loved guitars! Haha so I'm not sure what he did his recordings with. Marin isn't even mentioned here so who knows if he had one or not. On YT there are a number of videos of Marin guitars and overall they sound really good imo.
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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by RobMacKillop » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:34 pm

What a wonderful collection he had!

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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by Mr.Rain » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:53 am

tateharmann wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:18 pm
Yep! Andrés Marín - he was one of the more famous builders from Valencia: http://members.upc.nl/a.bogaard241/inde ... earch9.htm

That site is one of sites I'm using for research.

I don't know how true it is but supposedly Augustin Barrios played a Marín for a while.
Barrios had an Andres Marin(at least). This guitar is now used as the illustration of the 50k guaranies note in Paraguay:

http://mangore.net/mangore_guitar_esp.html

(yes the current owner is not the kind of person you define of a paragon of virtue :mrgreen: )

AFAIK Andres Marin were very popular in South America.
BTW I have among my collection a BRW Andres Marin, still using "palillos" (pegs).

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Re: NGD: Spanish Guitar from c.1870 by Garcia

Post by tateharmann » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Mr.Rain wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:53 am
Barrios had an Andres Marin(at least). This guitar is now used as the illustration of the 50k guaranies note in Paraguay:

http://mangore.net/mangore_guitar_esp.html

(yes the current owner is not the kind of person you define of a paragon of virtue :mrgreen: )
But it's a very interesting story nonetheless!
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