Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Beowulf » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:34 pm

Baryll wrote:
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rinneby wrote:
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Hank Matallana wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:22 pm
Hi Jon,

That's interesting. I too have seen mostly mortice joint, although I am the custodian of a rare bird: a Spanish Cedar/Brazilian 68' No.15 kohno built like cedar Fleta with the tradition spanish heel. It consistently smells like a cigar box when I take it out. It's capable of a bit more dynamics than other Kohnos I've tried. Not too sure if it's because of the neck angle or because of the bracing pattern used. I have a photos somewhere if you'd like to see them.

Hank
Yes, Kohno did start to use the Spanish heel construction in 1965-1966 I believe. All guitars he and his factory built after this period is Spanish heel.

Photo's are always lovely!

/Jon
Hi,
That's true for sure. I'm not certain whether it was mentioned somewhere on this forum before or not, but it is worth mentioning the Japanese luthiers, while cooperating with the Spanish masters, plagiarized all their work (bracing patterns and so on) and said :bye: to Spaniards... Correct me if I'm wrong. I might have jeopardized my future here :mrgreen:
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Przemek
Correction: Some Japanese luthiers (Yamaha for one) requested training and apprenticeship from Spanish luthiers, paid for the privilege and went their merry way with the advice and experience they had gained. Both Eduardo Ferrer (1966) and Manuel Hernandez (1973) came to Japan to train Yamaha's luthiers and Hideyuki Ezaki apprenticed with Hernandez in Spain. Yamaha has both respected and acknowledged the debt owed to Spanish luthiers. Yamaha sought and received advice from Segovia in developing the GC-71. Here is a fun picture of Ezaki with Hernandez ( it is signed by Hernandez to a disciple and friend:
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1971 Yamaha GC-10 (Hideyuki Ezaki)
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Guero » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:52 am

Hello Kohnoheads!

Does anyone know about Kohno No15 from 1992 with 650mm?
I always thought that the "youngest" 15's were from the 80's. How do the newer ones compare to the older ones?
What would be the price range for a used 90's Kohno 15?

Saludos, Güero.

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:37 pm

Guero wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:52 am
Hello Kohnoheads!

Does anyone know about Kohno No15 from 1992 with 650mm?
I always thought that the "youngest" 15's were from the 80's. How do the newer ones compare to the older ones?
What would be the price range for a used 90's Kohno 15?

Saludos, Güero.
There is no such thing. The numbering system was abandoned in the early 80s. Maybe the seller is referring to a "Concert-R" model?

/Jon
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Guero » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:36 pm

Yes, you are right. The man I spoke to on the phone mixed it up with another Kohno...

But, accidentally, I found another Kohno 15 from 1974. This time it has a 20th fret, a high C??

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:55 pm

Guero wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:36 pm
Yes, you are right. The man I spoke to on the phone mixed it up with another Kohno...

But, accidentally, I found another Kohno 15 from 1974. This time it has a 20th fret, a high C??
Then the fingerboard is replaced 100%. Nothing wrong with that, but it was not constructed that way.

/Jon
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Guero » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:24 pm

That's funny, stumbling over two Kohno 15 on one day but none of them was a "real" one...

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:26 pm

Guero wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:24 pm
That's funny, stumbling over two Kohno 15 on one day but none of them was a "real" one...
I guess nr 2 is kind of "real" ;) But I need pictures, you can message me with a link, if you wish.

/Jon
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by es335 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:08 am

Guero wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:36 pm
... But, accidentally, I found another Kohno 15 from 1974. This time it has a 20th fret, a high C??
If you take a close look at picture no. 2 of the advertisement it should become obvious that the extension of the fretboard had been retrofitted later. Cheap offer but there are some issues which must be considered. :wink:

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Guero » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:48 pm

Yes, after having a closer look I got behind it. maybe I' m getting shortsighted..
Indeed a complicated patient.. But I can't spot a cracking on the back. That would be the most severe injury. The rest, cosmetics...

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by es335 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:16 pm

Guero wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:48 pm
... But I can't spot a cracking on the back. That would be the most severe injury. The rest, cosmetics...
Me too but most if the pictures aren not very good. Anyway the top finish resp. where it’s missing is the worst issue IMHO. That’s Cashew finish which only Kohno is using and I know from my own experience that I could find a workshop in Germany which could restore this finish appropriately. This holds even for the workshop associated to the German distributor! Opposed to this a back crack could be repaired by any luthier. I would consider this a players guitar, which is interesting to aquire without the ambition to fully restore her to a more or less original condition, provided she sounds and playes right for you!

My Kohno #30 was somehow similar. The binding was badly damaged at several positions, such that it was impossible to play without seriously scratching your arm. But the sound was beautiful and the neck is a dream to play despite its 660mm scale. Invested some 300€ to have her restored to payable condition and enjoy this beautiful guitar at a price much below its real value!

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Monteverde » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:53 pm

For those members in the Kohno Fan Club, I happened to notice that a 1981 Masaru Kohno Model 50 guitar, Serial No. 810410, is being auctioned at the upcoming Skinner Inc. Fine Musical Instrument Auction in Boston and online at 12:00 Noon US Eastern Standard Time on 11 November 2018. The guitar is estimated to sell at $3,500-4,000 USD, but I have seen fine guitars (including a Richard Bruné earlier this year) sell for significantly less than the estimated price. You can find details at the Skinner, Inc. website.

I have no connection to Skinner, Inc., to this guitar, or to its owner. I do not intend to bid on it; I am simply posting this information in case any of you have interest in the instrument.

Best regards,
Jon

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:27 am

Monteverde wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:53 pm
For those members in the Kohno Fan Club, I happened to notice that a 1981 Masaru Kohno Model 50 guitar, Serial No. 810410, is being auctioned at the upcoming Skinner Inc. Fine Musical Instrument Auction in Boston and online at 12:00 Noon US Eastern Standard Time on 11 November 2018. The guitar is estimated to sell at $3,500-4,000 USD, but I have seen fine guitars (including a Richard Bruné earlier this year) sell for significantly less than the estimated price. You can find details at the Skinner, Inc. website.

I have no connection to Skinner, Inc., to this guitar, or to its owner. I do not intend to bid on it; I am simply posting this information in case any of you have interest in the instrument.

Best regards,
Jon
That seems like a fair estimation, if in good condition. A steal at 3500 for sure. Remember this guitar will be 660 mm scale. Thanks for the tip!

/Jon
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by musguitar » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:53 am

rinneby wrote:
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Right now I have my eyes on a Masaru Kono No.7 from 1964. Solid spruce top and solid Brazilian rosewood back and sides. I will know more next week :) A friend of mine who's selling.
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/Jon
Hi Jon, aside from aesthetics, in what way a Brazilian rw is superior to Indian rw, and other rosewoods?

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:28 am

musguitar wrote:
Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:53 am
rinneby wrote:
Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:34 am
Right now I have my eyes on a Masaru Kono No.7 from 1964. Solid spruce top and solid Brazilian rosewood back and sides. I will know more next week :) A friend of mine who's selling.
Image

/Jon
Hi Jon, aside from aesthetics, in what way a Brazilian rw is superior to Indian rw, and other rosewoods?
It's not superior, but has a slightly different tone color, than let say Indian rosewood. A more "ringing/sining tone" some would say. However, I'm not too sure about that. My Kono No.7 has a pretty dark and woody sound. Then again, we all "know" that the construction of the guitar and mostly the construction of the top contributes to the sound the most. Today Brazilian rosewood is banned (since 1992) and it's rare to find good woods, such as this. For this reason, as well as the apparent ascetics, the price for a nice set of Brazilian rosewood is expensive and (for some luthiers and players) sought after.

/Jon
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Post by musguitar » Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:06 am

Well explained, informative. thanks jon.

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