Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by astro64 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:50 am

Are you sure there are not 7 main braces? I think the illumination in your photo does not go out far enough to the edges. If it does have 7, that would make it identical to my Kono 4 from 1964. Also, does yours have the harmonic brace right below the sound hole curved? That is the case for the Kono 4 I have. It is a feature some Hauser II's from the early 60's have and I wonder if that is where Kono got the idea from or if it was also used in Spain already when he went there.

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Post by tonechaser » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:40 am

It was a narrowly lit photo but I'm sure there are only 5 braces, not 7. The harmonic bar below the sound hole (at the waist) is curved as on your No. 4. Here's my best shot at diagraming the bracing pattern of my Kono No. 3. I can't represent that this is exact but it's the best I could do by feeling around with my fingers and a mirror.
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Post by astro64 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:36 pm

Interesting. I think he experimented with lots of brace patterns at in the 60s. Mine has two somewhat shorter braces, one on the bass and one on the treble side. Nice traditional sounding instrument, a bit dry ("woody"?) and incredibly uniform across the board, easy to balance bass vs trebles and no weak spots.

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Post by jamesvd » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:21 am

Apologies if my questions are out of topic.

How do you think about a deal of £3500 (EUR 4000) for a Masaki Sakurai Concert-R Year 2017 Spruce (like new)?
Is it worth to buy higher models (Sakurai PC, Maestro, Concert-J)? I played a Sakurai PC and don't think the difference between PC and Concert-R should cost you twice as much.

If you order Sakurai Kohno directly to ship to Europe, what will the cost for each model above likely be?

Any comment would be appreciated. Thanks

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Post by rinneby » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:21 am

jamesvd wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:21 am
Apologies if my questions are out of topic.

How do you think about a deal of £3500 (EUR 4000) for a Masaki Sakurai Concert-R Year 2017 Spruce (like new)?
Is it worth to buy higher models (Sakurai PC, Maestro, Concert-J)? I played a Sakurai PC and don't think the difference between PC and Concert-R should cost you twice as much.

If you order Sakurai Kohno directly to ship to Europe, what will the cost for each model above likely be?

Any comment would be appreciated. Thanks
A new Sakurai Concert-R is around 4000 Euro + taxes and shipping if ordered directly from Sakurai. Higher models doesn't necessary mean "better" guitar, only different. I will send you a PM with more info.

Is it important to you to get a new guitar and not second hand?

/Jon
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1973 - Masaru Matano Classe 600
2016 - Pete Beer

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by jamesvd » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:34 pm

Thanks Jon, so I reckon EUR 4000 buying from a dealer (incl tax, no shipping) is not bad. I don’t mind used guitars, I was so impressed by the new Concert R 2017, it sounded like an opened up spruce guitar. I will pm you about your guitars.

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Post by rinneby » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:40 pm

jamesvd wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:34 pm
Thanks Jon, so I reckon EUR 4000 buying from a dealer (incl tax, no shipping) is not bad. I don’t mind used guitars, I was so impressed by the new Concert R 2017, it sounded like an opened up spruce guitar. I will pm you about your guitars.
It's not bad at all, for a 2017.

/Jon
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Post by tkoehler1 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:58 pm

City and Country: Dayton, OH USA
Make: Kohno
Model: #20
Date of Production: 1977
Date of Acquisition: 2019
Price of Acquisition: $2500 USD
Top: Spruce
Back: Brazilian Rosewood
Side: Brazilian Rosewood
Neck: ?
Fingerboard: Ebony


Well I've acquired my second Kohno and it is a beauty. It's in great shape and most importantly it has a loud, strong, and balanced voice. I've very pleased with this guitar!

There is a small crack on the back - on the lower bout right about where the guitar sits on your leg. The previous owner told me that it has been stable and not moved in many years. I've heard the brazilian is prone to that so I am not too worried. I inspected the soundboard carefully and it is in perfect shape.

It sounds similair to my '68 No 7 - it has the almost the same tone (not quite as sweet) but with alot more volume. Like the '68 on steroids.

I am still getting used to the thicker neck and 660 scale. It's currently got high tension strings and high "concert player" action. So it's a bit of a handful playability wise. I'm going to have a new lower saddle made and string it with regular tension and see how it goes.

Gratuitous pics:


Image20190217_102601 by Tristan Koehler, on Flickr


Image20190217_102645 by Tristan Koehler, on Flickr


Image20190217_102714 by Tristan Koehler, on Flickr


Image20190217_102800 by Tristan Koehler, on Flickr


Image20190217_102842 by Tristan Koehler, on Flickr


Image20190217_102932 by Tristan Koehler, on Flickr


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Image20190217_103123 by Tristan Koehler, on Flickr

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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Petter » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:14 am

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Received my first Kohno yesterday, delivered in mint state from Japan!

City and Country: Stockholm, Sweden
Make: Kohno
Model: #4
Date of Production: 1965
Date of Acquisition: 2019
Price of Acquisition: $1600 USD
Top: Spruce
Back: Indian Rosewood
Side: Indian Rosewood
Neck: Mahogany?
Fingerboard: Ebony? Might be dark rosewood as well.

Well add me to the fan club as well. First impressions: fantastic playability, great action at 3.5mm low e and 2.8mm high e with plenty of saddle. Scale is 630 mm, not 635 as advertised.

It seems to be totally untouched, no scratches or marks in the finish. Frets seem like new, fret ends are sticking out though. Probably stored a little too dry.

Tone is fantastic, great direct from the case strung up with new strings. Full and earthy, warm but still very clear sounding trebles. Despite shorter scale it is full bodied.

It is being rehumidified now, soundboard had a very slight concave and fretboard had shrunk.

I am extremely pleased!
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by rinneby » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:34 am

Petter wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:14 am
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Received my first Kohno yesterday, delivered in mint state from Japan!

City and Country: Stockholm, Sweden
Make: Kohno
Model: #4
Date of Production: 1965
Date of Acquisition: 2019
Price of Acquisition: $1600 USD
Top: Spruce
Back: Indian Rosewood
Side: Indian Rosewood
Neck: Mahogany?
Fingerboard: Ebony? Might be dark rosewood as well.

Well add me to the fan club as well. First impressions: fantastic playability, great action at 3.5mm low e and 2.8mm high e with plenty of saddle. Scale is 630 mm, not 635 as advertised.

It seems to be totally untouched, no scratches or marks in the finish. Frets seem like new, fret ends are sticking out though. Probably stored a little too dry.

Tone is fantastic, great direct from the case strung up with new strings. Full and earthy, warm but still very clear sounding trebles. Despite shorter scale it is full bodied.

It is being rehumidified now, soundboard had a very slight concave and fretboard had shrunk.

I am extremely pleased!
Nice one Petter, at that price a real steal for sure! Amazing condition too. 1600 dollars including shipping + taxes?

/Jon
1964 - Masaru Kohno No.7
1973 - Masaru Matano Classe 600
2016 - Pete Beer

Feel free to ask me anything about Japanese classical guitars.

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Post by Petter » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:48 am

Thanks Jon! Indeed, incredibly cheap especially for the time-capsule condition of the guitar.

Yes around 1600 usd including tax shipping etc.
https://zenmarket.jp/auction.aspx?itemCode=k364752870
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Post by rinneby » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:52 am

Petter wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:48 am
Thanks Jon! Indeed, incredibly cheap especially for the time-capsule condition of the guitar.

Yes around 1600 usd including tax shipping etc.
https://zenmarket.jp/auction.aspx?itemCode=k364752870
Sick :)
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by Bryan Pannell » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:29 am

Nice looking guitar, the pictures from the auction site are a little out of focus . Can you post some detailed pics of her. Especially interested in the rosette and interior bracing ,

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Post by Petter » Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:35 am

Bryan Pannell wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:29 am
Nice looking guitar, the pictures from the auction site are a little out of focus . Can you post some detailed pics of her. Especially interested in the rosette and interior bracing ,
Yes, the pics on the auction site are very low res. Bit of a a gamble to bid but sometimes it can be very rewarding!
I posted pics of my own a little further up. It's 7 fan braced with closing bars. Outer two braces are shorter than the rest.
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Re: Kohno & - Sakurai Guitar Fan Club, Delcamp branch

Post by macnylonguitar » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:44 am

Great to be here, and any more info I can get on Masaki Sakurai and his guitars, greatly appreciated,

Any suggestions / recommendations on a M Sakurai....

Might I find a used / older say 2010 M. Sakurai Professional J, say in $3500-$4000 range.

As I say above, for sure my next guitar is a Masaki Sakurai, $6500 is steep, but I get it, that's what that level costs.

I did play the "Concert R" model as well for $5,500, and to me it was not the same guitar at all.. It almost fest like another luthier build, not made by Sakurai, compared to the Pro J.

The volume, tone, response, was nowhere near the Pro J. Even the neck / fretboard, was nowhere near as precise / meticulous as the Pro J. That's just a testament to the Pro J craftmanship.

I am also selling another guitar on Reverb, a Seth Miller Hauser, you can look it up, having a hard time selling this guitar, and I am not sure why, I suppose an "unknown" builder. Has a nice full tone for $2300.

Perhaps I have to put on consignment at McCabes in Santa Monica, or something like that, suggestions much appreciated

Thanks in advance, macnylon

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