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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Andrei Puhach » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:59 pm

ANONYME (1600) A TOYE
[media]https://youtu.be/Z-XXLufMYQc[/media]
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Stephen Jessup » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:04 pm

Hello people, I have a question about the "golpe". What is the correct technique? When I do it it's like I'm just thumping my guitar, which I don't want to do because it's new and I like it! Which part of hand is used and how hard do you hit? I always treat my guitar with so much care so my first reaction to the golpe is "Do I have to hit my guitar?!" :)

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Stephen Jessup » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:11 pm

Andrei, very good job with A TOYE! Well done. Seemed a pretty flawless performance to me :D

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Zafar Haq » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:21 pm

Hi,Stephen Jessup,
"Golpe" technique is explained in this good quality video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZZKfhDc_I

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Zafar Haq » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:44 pm

Hi, Andrei Puhach,
Well done.
Good tempo,rhythm,melody.Good posture,lighting,video audio quality.
I watched it many times to check and compare it with the music sheet.I see different left hand finger position for measure 5.
Can you explain, what is your repeat cycle following the brackets over measure 4 and measure 5.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Marko Räsänen » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:46 pm

Stephen Jessup wrote:Hello people, I have a question about the "golpe". What is the correct technique? When I do it it's like I'm just thumping my guitar, which I don't want to do because it's new and I like it! Which part of hand is used and how hard do you hit? I always treat my guitar with so much care so my first reaction to the golpe is "Do I have to hit my guitar?!" :)
You could also do it like M. Delcamp does it in the lesson video, i.e. make a fist, and hit the upper bout with the middle knuckles, like you would knock on a door. I guess that's easier on the finish than using the tip of the finger (especially for those with nails). Obviously you don't want to hit the guitar too hard.
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Andrei Puhach » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:19 pm

Stephen, Zafar, thank you for your feedback!
I see different left hand finger position for measure 5
Do you mean the second part of the piece? I believe I followed the notation consistently:
F#: finger 2 on string 1
E: no fingers
D: finger 3 on string 2
B: no fingers
G: finger 3 on string 1
Can you explain, what is your repeat cycle following the brackets over measure 4 and measure 5.
Well, it is exactly as you described in your sheet breakdown:
1234
1235
6789
67810
11,12,13,14
11,12,13,15
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Stephen Jessup » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:26 pm

Thanks Zafar for the video link. It isn't exactly the technique shown in Soleares video though. I'm wondering if M.Delcamp hit the guitar in that spot because it's a stronger part of the guitar body; the guy stated in that video that unless you have a flamenco guitar (or have some protection) you could well put a hole in the guitar, thus the safer option of tapping the sturdier part of the guitar body....
I'm only guessing, but that would make sense to me.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Chu Bun » Thu Nov 05, 2015 10:32 pm

Do I have to hit my guitar?!
No! I simply skip the golping. When it comes time to learn golping techniques I'll find a guitar with a protective plate. Why risking damage my guitar just for a one shot thing at the end of a song!

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Zafar Haq » Fri Nov 06, 2015 12:57 pm

Hi, Andrei Puhach,
Yesterday, I watched your video several time to identify what I noticed in measure 5, finger placements but unable to identify it,why I see it different than the music sheet?.Today morning,I watched it in slow speed for measure 5, most is alright.Just check yourself if you strike note "D" instead of "G natural".Rest is all fine.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Jeremy Gillard » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:05 pm

Hi Zafar:

I watched Andrei's posting of A Toye so I could figure out what you were talking about! :) Andrei is playing the correct G note. You can hear the note is correct as well as seeing it.
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As for Andrei's "A Toye", it is well done. Good job! :) You have it down well.
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Zafar Haq » Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:53 pm

Hi, Jeremy Gillard
Exactly, what I saw in the 5th measure.You show it more clear in an image. Thanks.
All clear,Andrei.good job,good playing.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Andrei Puhach » Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:56 pm

Wow, did not expect such a thorough analysis of my work :) I appreciate your efforts doing this. Two lessons learned:
1) there is no chance to slack or cheat, it'll get noticed! So, practice as mush as possible to make performances flawless.
2) need better video and audio quality.
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Stephen Jessup » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:30 am

Chu Bun wrote:No! I simply skip the golping. When it comes time to learn golping techniques I'll find a guitar with a protective plate. Why risking damage my guitar just for a one shot thing at the end of a song!
Good advice Chu Bun, you make good points. However, I will go as far as tapping the edge of the guitar similarly to how M.Delcamp does it - but just not too hard! I can be a bit ham fisted sometimes though so I need to be careful....or not do it at all....oh decisions! :)

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Andrei Puhach » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:58 am

Finally, I made it. Still some hiccups and imperfections, but that's the best I could do at this moment.

SOLEARES
[media]https://youtu.be/7PH62TmanSk[/media]
By the way, I changed some fingering:
Falseta 4 measure 1 left hand: play F - A with fingers 3 - 2 rather than 3 - 1 which I find more natural
Falseta 6 measure 1 right hand: play measure 1 as i - m - i rather than m - i - m which is more natural after muting all strings from last measure of the previous falseta (p on 6th string, i on 3rd, m on 2nd, a on 1st). So, "i" is already on string #3 ready to go. This is especially handy when you do apoyando. And I noticed the professor does the same :)
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