D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:24 pm

Tom - I agree - the guitar support forces me into better posture. Watching you, Lucian and Jules get the positive results you are achieving using the support was all the convincing I needed.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:30 pm

Speaking of articles/links of interest, check out Marcin Patrzalek's youtube page. That guy is beyond impressive.
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:56 pm

Loved it. That is called playing without thinking (that is what slows me down, among other things).
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 pm

Tom, Lucian, Jules - a question. For some reason I am finding the shift from C# to D/F# to C in both the LECON pieces very difficult. Is there some technique that I am missing that would simplify this or is it just a matter of doing it a thousands times over and over again?
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:57 pm

Ed, I'm having trouble with those pieces (referring to SORs Lesson 8, 2nd boxed area; and Lesson 9, first boxed area), it took me a while to hit the C# and G notes at first. Note, its not a shift. For Lesson 9, after hitting the open "D" then C# notes, I move my index finger to the "C" note position, while hitting the F# and D notes (this may be considered a shift, I don't know). I then lift my "ring finger" and my index finger is already in position to hit the C note which follows.

Hope it makes sense. I may be telling you something you already know/do. Let me know, and I'll make a video and post tonight when get home from work if you need to see this. If you are doing this now, then I guess you need to keep at it: 1) hit the notes in sequence without regard to tempo, then 2) start working very slowly and increase tempo over time (long time..).
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:09 pm

Hi Tom - thanks. Let me try what you suggest. I am guessing there should be some difficulty or they would not have boxed the measure in the piece.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:28 am

Ed Butler wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:09 pm
Hi Tom - thanks. Let me try what you suggest. I am guessing there should be some difficulty or they would not have boxed the measure in the piece.

Ed
Exactly. And just as you get through that part, we have to mute the D string while hitting the G string in the next measure....

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:18 pm

Tom - thanks for the video - it helps.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:09 pm

LECON IX opus 60 - rough , a stumble moving the first time to the B section and a slow down when I hit the difficult measures. I need to move on to the ECOSSAISE, hopefully posting tomorrow and then later the LECON VIII.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:47 pm

Ed, not bad considering you've been off the guitar for 3 weeks. The last row of that piece is really tough, if you had more time I think you'd play the whole thing well. I noticed you were looking at the score for the most part rather than LH/RH positions - this is great. I think this one reason (among many) of why your playing has improved.

Keep up the good work, my only suggestion is that you give yourself plenty of time to get comfortable with Ecossaise! This one took time to get right, especially part "B". Working on Ecossaise between Lesson 9 and Lesson 8 was a smart move by the way.

Since moving on from Ecossaise, I've been working primarily on the Sor pieces, note their similarity. As a result my LH index and pinky fingers are very sore (at joints and along the fingers not the finger tips). Uh oh....
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:49 pm

First attempt at LECON VIII - slowed it down.



Now - on to ECOSSAISE
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:35 pm

First attempt at ECOSSAISE. Rough, rushing the slurs, stumbled a few times. Will post again later this week

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:50 pm

Hi Ed. Your renditions sound better than they did a few months ago. I bet the Sor pieces would improve quite a bit if you had more time. Since the Ecossaise piece is a required post, I agree its more important to devote the time to play it well (it looks like you are prioritizing your work).

Just break up the Ecossaise piece into small chunks and work them one at a time. Work on your slurs to slow them down so they match the tempo (you probably know this already).
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Ed Butler » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:54 pm

HI Tom - it has been a slow work in progress. I have been trying to break the Eccossaise into small chunks so that I get the fingerings right and they are better than a week ago. For each section I try to listen to your and Lucian's recording and match them and, funny, to my ear they are close but when I listen to them on the recoding they are way off. I am using a metronome on the slurs to slow them down. Let's see what this sounds like in 4 or 5 days.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 07

Post by Tom Wimsatt » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:07 pm

Ed Butler wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:54 pm
HI Tom - it has been a slow work in progress. I have been trying to break the Eccossaise into small chunks so that I get the fingerings right and they are better than a week ago. For each section I try to listen to your and Lucian's recording and match them and, funny, to my ear they are close but when I listen to them on the recoding they are way off. I am using a metronome on the slurs to slow them down. Let's see what this sounds like in 4 or 5 days.

Ed
Agree. I figured you knew what you had to do to get this piece finished up.
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