D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

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Richard Judge

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Richard Judge » Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:01 am

Thanks for your comments, I'm a bit unclear about the fingering suggestion you made though. On my score I think bar 10 starts with the G#,E,low E chord followed by the E,C at the start of the yellow section (with a damping mark under). The second finger slides up to F# and then I would assume you either use 4 to play the G on the 4th string or play it open string. To play the A(with 3),low A next you have to lift the second finger don't you?
Pavanebars.JPG
As you say the E and C, 2nd and 3rd fingers slide up for the F# D at the 4th and 5th frets. Use an open G. (This helps to cover the move back down to first position) Keeping the second finger as a guide slide it back to the E where it started. The third finger drops behind it (using the 2nd finger as a pivot) to play the A on the 3rd string with the open A bass. The 2nd finger is then ready to play the E with the damping symbol.
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Stewart Doyle » Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:40 pm

Richard - thanks for your very thorough explanation - it's now very clear.

Charis - thank you for your kind words - much appreciated. The Carulli is the sort of piece I've always enjoyed playing, but I do need to work on greater variation of tone for other pieces.
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Ned Henderson » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:07 pm

Dear All

Here is a second posting with my whole practice on it. I have tried to focus on playing the pieces more gently, particularly the Carulli Andantino.
Any feedback you have is much appreciated

[media]https://youtu.be/galYHIpA_q4[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/HuZFxedu_-g[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/MuVF1YZ6rYQ[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/6ZL8MF_-21o[/media]

Ned

Richard Judge

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Richard Judge » Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:30 am

Well done ned. Your Andantino is much improved. Nice tone and feels less rushed. The other pieces are nicely played too. :bravo:

Here is my contribution. I always feel self conscious posting after being so vocal about others.

Exercise, I still can't get my fingers to stay close in to the frets. First time through is not too good nut the second is an improvement.
[media]https://youtu.be/ly4Ixp-t_WA[/media]
Sauteuse
[media]https://youtu.be/3P2--QdUt1U[/media]
Andantino, hmmm, sounded more expressive in my head as I played it.
[media]https://youtu.be/BJHXMm44m2g[/media]
Pavane
[media]https://youtu.be/sVFGIxqKUV8[/media]

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Stewart Doyle » Sat Mar 26, 2011 6:38 pm

Ned, I think your Carulli is much improved from your first version. I think my version might be too slow (nearer to 1:30 compared to M Delcamp’s 1:20) but if you are trying to concentrate on a specific aspect of a piece, perhaps the fingering or tone, it’s always worth slowing down. I notice you’ve gone from 1:05 to 1:10 but I would try to slow things down more. I notice you are still slightly separating the bass and upper notes in the Pavane. I know this faint arpeggio affect is sometimes used deliberately but it might be a useful exercise to try to synchronise the notes? I prefer your Sauteuse to mine – this is an example of a piece where I think my RH fingering is too timid and needs to be more positive like yours. In the slurs, it’s not easy to see but it looks as though you are pulling the fingers off the string rather than off to the side and then resting on the adjacent string.

Richard – For the slurs, I think you might be doing the same as Ned? As your Carulli is around 7 seconds faster than M. Delcamp you could probably slow it a little and add a few ‘breaths’ I like your Sauteuse and Pavane, very well played.

I notice only Jack seems to have managed a nice clean final chord in the Pavane without a preceding pause. Definitely a case where we should just practise that final change again, and again, and again…
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Ned Henderson » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:35 pm

Stewart
Many thanks for your comments on my video, they are much appreciated. As for the Pavane, I was deliberately playing the chords as slight arpeggios but, having listened again to Jean-François Delcamp's instruction video, I notice he plays the chords in synchrony. I will try to follow that in my practice from now. I think you are right about the slurs too, I will work on that.


Richard
It was good to watch your practice video.
Slur exercise - I agree with Stewart, you appear like me to be pulling off the string but not towards the adjacent string. I was impressed by your precise RH control during this video, it is excellent, looks like you have worked on this.
Sauteuse - sounded good, of course you are still sight reading it and learning the piece so the rhythm was slightly "stop'start" and I would focus on a more even tempo for a bit.Again good RH technique I thought.
Carulli Andantino - the tempo is good and even, I also think a little fast, needs more LH practice especially the second section. I agree with Stewart, I would slow it down.
Pavane - sounds very good. :bravo: (hope this isn't too much like a school report!)

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Ned Henderson » Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:54 pm

Stewart

Sorry I haven't had time till now to properly listen to your practice.

Carulli Andantino - I really like your recording of this. The technique looks very good, possibly a little slow as you say but rather slow at the beginning than fast, you give a lot of attention to the detail of LH placement and to good timing of the Right Hand.And the musicality of the piece comes through very well.
Arbeau Pavane - sounds a little staccato, probably because you are still learning it. Richard's tips on the left hand fingering look very helpful here...
Sauteuse - looks like you had just started learning this one when you posted, and were figuring out the sight reading as you went along.
Slurs - looked very good, with good technique in both hands. It was helpful to watch you practice this, I am sure it will improve my practice from now on.

I have listened to all of us again playing the Pavane. I agree with you and I think Jack gets the prize for the smooth transition into the final chord. Keep up the good practice.

Ned

Richard Judge

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Richard Judge » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:42 am

I think the Curulli andantino is fast as I'm thinking of the "Tales from the Riverbank" theme (Andante in C by Giuliani).

You are both right about my slurs I am not pulling the string sideways.

Jack Jarrett

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Jack Jarrett » Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:00 am

Sorry I haven't participated much, too much going on.I hope to be able to offer more soon. I signed up for an ensemble class and it seems to pick away at my available time.
I was just wondering if others have issueswhen performing slurs, with the callouses on the fingertips kind of making the sideways pull of the string a little harder to get in the right spot consistently,and sometimes hooking the string. I really have to adjust finger angle and tip position when I am going to perform a pulloff slur, but I guess it forces me to perfect my finger placement.
Take care and keep up the good work.
Jack

Richard Judge

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Richard Judge » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:35 am

the callouses on the fingertips kind of making the sideways pull of the string a little harder to get in the right spot consistently,and sometimes hooking the string.
Yes, that's spot on. The strings drop into slots on the ends of my finger tips. A sideways pull often catches the string or releases with an unpleasant TWANG!

Jack Jarrett

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Jack Jarrett » Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:51 pm

Here is my only submission for Carulli Andantino. Unfortunately my camera messed up before I could post any other videos so this will be it for this lesson.
Not my best, but better than nothing.
Jack
[media]https://youtu.be/ZtmXwRht0NM[/media]

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Ned Henderson » Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:03 pm

Jack Jarrett wrote:the callouses on the fingertips kind of making the sideways pull of the string a little harder
Yep, me too. Like Richard I sometimes get a twang , the rough skin seems to pull or hook on the string and it ends up like firing a bow and arrow....probably years of playing steel strings don't help with this...

Ned

Richard Judge

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Richard Judge » Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:02 pm

Not my best, but better than nothing.
Hey Jack, that sounds a bit downhearted. You play through without any obvious fingering or tempo errors, I like the way you play the second section closer to the bridge to give a change of tone.
Maybe not your best, you seem a bit tense, but you play really well.
:D

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Stewart Doyle » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:24 pm

Hi everyone, Here are my final submissions. I wasn't happy with my second video recording of the Carulli piece so I've just recorded an mp3 version - well, several, but this is the one with the least mistakes!
Regarding the comments about the slurs - I think the twanging sound is OK as I've just seen it as an exercise in 'over the top' slurs. I'm probably wrong, but I think you can always tone a correct technique down.
Glad to see you back on video Jack. I wish I had added some more colour/tone to my Carulli as you have.
See you in the next lesson! - Best wishes, Stewart
D02 Carulli Andantino -v2.mp3
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[media]https://youtu.be/rUauZfHJIzU[/media]

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 6

Post by Michael Collings » Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:54 pm

Here are my submissions. Looking forward to improv.

[media]https://youtu.be/qjW1iWsr6-A[/media]
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