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Goran Penic
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Goran Penic » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:34 pm

Coen van Dijk wrote:Goran: ... The last bars: are you doing the arpeggios with the thumb only, or with all RH fingers? ...
I play with all fingers. :oops:
Somehow it sounds too loud when I play only with the thumb. I have to work on it. :chaud:
And, as I wrote earlier, I will try to record this piece again if I find time
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Mark Bacon » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:53 pm

Goran-

Not hurt AT ALL! Besides, I know what you meant. Feel free to give opinions about mood/feeling, everyone's opinion on here matters!!

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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Stewart Doyle » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:05 pm

Hello everyone - I'm not sure whether I feel guilty or pleased to have started the 'Pontkalleg bar 21/22' debate! I did put a question mark at the end of my suggestion as I thought it might just be a question of interpretation.
I do find that I am generally, but not exclusively, drawn to the more melancholic songs for the guitar. I remember playing (but not recording as far as I recall) the D02 song Dans les jardins de mon pere, as a mournful and wistful song that made me think of someone walking round the garden of their departed father. I then tried to find a version on the Internet to see what it 'should' sound like. It seems it's a french nursery rhyme that usually has a jaunty lilt about it! - I preferred my version though! Best wishes to you all, Stewart
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Jack Jarrett » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:51 am

I agree Stewart, the melancholic songs have so much feeling, and the notes can be so few, yet have so much power in them.The classical guitar can be a great vehicle for expressing these feelings we don't always hear expressed in this modern age of pop and energy driven music.
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Stewart Doyle » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:39 pm

Hi - As Mark pointed out, the slurs exercise should show 'rest stroke' behaviour for the left hand, so I've re-recorded it. Presumably, if your LH fingers are stronger you can pull the top finger off without bending the string....

[media]https://youtu.be/yjh54m1FOVM[/media]

I've also had another go at the Waltz. I don't think my fingering is as secure as it should be, as is demonstrated by the major slip at the first pass of the second section. And, yes, the thumb is still there....

[media]https://youtu.be/I1hHuQGl-xA[/media]

Finally, an attempt at Maro Pontkalleg:

[media]https://youtu.be/SCzbSd1YE8I[/media]

See you in lesson 4! :)
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Mark Bacon » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:11 pm

Stewart,

Well played, all of them. I don't think the string bending is a big deal as long as it doesn't lead to an audible sharpening of the notes (which I did not detect). I suspect the best way to decrease the bending is by practicing the drill at all speeds possible (especially the slow ones).

I like the Pontkelleg piece. My favorite part of the piece is right before the last few arpeggiated chords where the base voice turns more complex. Rather than thinking of it as a more complex baseline I was always imagining it as a third middle voice and I tried to convey that when I played it (but somehow trying to stay faithful to the original, if that makes sense!?). Yours sounds similar to me. Good job!

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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Ned Henderson » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:37 pm

:bravo: Stewart
I liked your Paganini Waltz - yeah the fingering could be more secure but it sang out nicely wit the gentle vibrato.
i agree with Mark about the Maro Pontkalleg. You played it with a fine delicacy and the penultimate section with the added middle voice was the best bit.

PS I like the reindeer! I shall be looking out in our next posts and awarding bonus points to those whose surroundings offer a bit of extra festive colour!

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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Richard Judge » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:44 pm

Well played Stewart, lovely particularily the Maro Pontkalleg and the waltz is so cleanly played really clear. :D

So to my next attempt.
Greensleeves
[media]https://youtu.be/UKtJyJ2li0o[/media]
Maro Pontkalleg
[media]https://youtu.be/sR49OP31z8I[/media]

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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Mark Bacon » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:27 am

Richard,

Your Greensleeves sounds pretty good. Your RH is displaced a little towards the bridge from the normal position but I didn't really hear a harshness in tone that's usually associated in doing so.

The first 80% of the Pontkalleg is good too. In the end either nerves and/or memory lapses caught ya. There's a few breaks in tempo that some more practice will iron out just fine. Lastly, in the section we've been recently commenting on (just before the appeggiated chords) you seem to increase the volume of the bass and it distracts from the melody. I think this could be nerves as well though as you seem to have the piece under your fingers from a technical standpoint.

Just my opinions though. Take all you like and leave the rest! :)

Another great month of progress for us ALL to be proud of!

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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Goran Penic » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:48 am

Stewart and Richard :bravo:
After extensive analysis of Mark is hard to me to add anything. :merci: Mark.
I think it's particularly important to this:
Mark Bacon wrote:Another great month of progress for us ALL to be proud of!
which is exactly why I want to heartily congratulate to all of you
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Richard Judge » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:08 pm

Lastly, in the section we've been recently commenting on (just before the appeggiated chords) you seem to increase the volume of the bass and it distracts from the melody.
LOL I do like it like that but listening back I've probably overdone it a bit :D
I always get nervous playing the parts that I've made comment on about others playing. There's more pressure to get it right! :wink:

As Goran has said a good lesson by all. I've enjoyed the banter about interpretation and hope we will get more in the next lesson.

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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Stewart Doyle » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:17 pm

Well played Richard - your Greensleeves has a lovely graceful lilt about it and I like the pause at around 45s before the repeat. You look very relaxed and in control.
I enjoyed your Maro Pontkalleg too, and agree with your point about the extra pressure. I messed up several versions of the Maro Pontkalleg when I got to bar 21 - I was trying so hard to get it right...
I'm really looking forward to lesson 4 appearing.......
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Ned Henderson » Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:51 am

Hi Folks

Here are a couple of pieces I didn't post during the lesson, just updating now :)


[media]https://youtu.be/E8UgcTOb_q0[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/snP_jRtf04Q[/media]

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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Marko Räsänen » Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:09 am

Hi Ned, if I may offer a piece of advice regarding ligados, you are pushing the string downwards with the finger you are doing the pull-off with, before letting it go, and this causes the pitch of the note rise before the release. To prevent this from happening, you should use the finger next to the one that is pulling to slightly push the string upwards to counteract the pull. For example, at the same time that your little finger is pulling the string downwards, your ring finger should be pushing the string up, so that your little finger does not move the string, but simply pulls itself off it. Unfortunately this technique cannot be used when pulling off with the index finger, but then again doing a pull-off at the first couple of frets does not displace the string much (being very close to the nut), so this rarely is a problem.
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Re: D03 Classical guitar lesson 03

Post by Marko Räsänen » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:49 am

My lesson 3 submissions. I'm struggling a bit with the rest stroke, and hence the timing and volume evenness could be better at some places. Unfortunately I didn't have too much time to spend on this recording session. Comments and suggestions are most welcome!

F major scale : page 88 number 10
[media]https://youtu.be/qS4i0xulwwc[/media]

Slurs : Page 94 number 30 bar 2
[media]https://youtu.be/RZGHsYRscKU[/media]

Greensleeves
[media]https://youtu.be/WUqI_WssEaM[/media]

Paganini Valtz
[media]https://youtu.be/iAc7bKVrbaU[/media]

:merci: for listening!
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