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Archit Junnarkar

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Archit Junnarkar » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:17 am

Hi,
I have a query regarding Excercise No 20.
I just observed one little thing in the sheet, when you play

p-i, there no mention for placing m(x) and a(x)
p-m, there no mention for placing i(x) and a(x)
p-a, there no mention for placing i(x) and m(x)

Then, why is it used in the official video posted by JFD ? And yes everyone else is also following the video. Please let me know. I am yet to post my videos.

David Lavallee

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by David Lavallee » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:36 pm

Archit: Good question!

I have gone back and forth on this myself.. That the (x) should indicate the fingers that are in contact with the strings. When I first did this (and my recorded video) I just did it the Prof. DelCamp does it without really understanding why.

I later came to a conclusion that the (x) represents only a note/string that is to be damped, because it was already playing/vibrating, not whether fingers are touching the strings. I am a beginner myself so I hope someone with more experience can either confirm or correct me on this.

-Dave

Archit Junnarkar

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Archit Junnarkar » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:54 am

David Lavallee wrote:Archit: Good question!

I have gone back and forth on this myself.. That the (x) should indicate the fingers that are in contact with the strings. When I first did this (and my recorded video) I just did it the Prof. DelCamp does it without really understanding why.

I later came to a conclusion that the (x) represents only a note/string that is to be damped, because it was already playing/vibrating, not whether fingers are touching the strings. I am a beginner myself so I hope someone with more experience can either confirm or correct me on this.

-Dave
I got your point. So ideally I can even play this particular piece by alternately damping only two strings at a time and not placing my other fingers on the other two strings i.e. exactly as mentioned in the Music Sheet.

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Marko Räsänen » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:34 am

Archit Junnarkar wrote:I got your point. So ideally I can even play this particular piece by alternately damping only two strings at a time and not placing my other fingers on the other two strings i.e. exactly as mentioned in the Music Sheet.
The music sheet will never tell you what to do with fingers not currently involved in playing. You need to use your own experience and reasoning for that. If this was a real piece of music, or even a study, the decision what to do with those other fingers would depend on whether you wanted the other strings keep ringing or not. If not, it makes sense to keep your fingers planted on those strings, so that you don't play them accidentally, and also to give some additional stability for your hand.

However, as this is an exercise with purpose to teach not only string damping, but also right hand finger independence (although it doesn't clearly say so), it makes sense to keep all the fingers planted on the strings. It will be hard at first, because the other fingers will want to move with the picking finger (with the exception of thumb), but as you practice this more, the fingers will become more independent of each other, which is the goal of this exercise.
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Archit Junnarkar » Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:37 pm

[media]https://youtu.be/ZdzaYB5ENvU[/media]
Here I have played two versions; one as per Official Video and the other as per Music Sheet !
[media]https://youtu.be/-SnXqBruUJ8[/media]
[media]https://youtu.be/hFDp9qd1H20[/media]
[media]https://youtu.be/vQI0vMfTlcQ[/media]

David Lavallee

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by David Lavallee » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:57 pm

Thanks so much for the detailed explanation Marko!

I can see where the confusion started though; the instructions say "The sign (x) indicates that the right hand finger is placed on the string." In exercise 17, ALL other fingers that didn't produce the note are kept on the strings while in exercise 20 only the previous notes are damped and have the fingers on the string..

I would take this to mean that for ex. 17, all of the other fingers MUST be put on the strings; however, in ex 20, the ones that aren't denoted with (x) are in a "don't care" situation. That is, according to the sheet music as written, it doesn't matter if you keep those fingers on the strings or not (for example, in the first measure of ex 20, it doesn't matter if you keep the m and a fingers on the strings or not.

I have to admit, for ex 20, it is (for me) more of a challenge to keep all the fingers on the strings..

-Dave

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Marko Räsänen » Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:26 am

You're right, David, the instruction is a bit ambiguous in context with exercise 20, and the fingers not denoted with (x) could be seen as "don't care". However in my opinion the intention is clearer this way, compared to extending every quaver with two additional (x)'s for the remaining fingers, as it could create an impression that those fingers would need to be lifted and replanted with every note that is played. In the end sheet music notation isn't really meant for these kind of technical things. When the sheet and the video are in contradiction, I usually follow the video.
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Pat Ross » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:30 pm

My first post DO1 Lesson 2


[media]https://youtu.be/M5e7UqPn0rI[/media]

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Mark_Steed » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:19 pm

Hi Pat

Nice to see the "Cold War" generation still at it :D :) :(

Seriously I liked your posture and application to the task; even if a C scale is a minor task; but the building blocks are so important it seems - so :bravo:

Onward and upward - don't be afraid to post less than perfect attempts, we all learn from them.

:bye: for now

Ray Santos

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Ray Santos » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:43 pm

Hello,

Here are my videos for D01 Lesson 02.

Thanks,
--Ray

The C major scale
This is my best attempt that day of playing the scale with crescendo and decrescendo (or diminuendo).

[media]https://youtu.be/1aPIWb1v64U[/media]

Exercise No. 20
I didn't realize until I reviewed this video how crooked my right-hand fingers are. I can't help but notice that gap between my i and m fingers, even though the tops of the fingers are against each other when the tips are resting on the strings.

[media]https://youtu.be/0Ukihwgr60s[/media]

Une souris verte
I liked how the repeated measures made this song sound more complicated than it appears in printed form.

[media]https://youtu.be/cr1noBDkn60[/media]

J'ai du bon tabac
This is my best effort for that day of playing the notes smoothly, one after the other. The notes in the first measure (and repeated in measures 5, 17, and 21) I found especially tricky for my left-hand to play.

[media]https://youtu.be/EGw9AbNJ3A0[/media]

Ray Santos

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Ray Santos » Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:40 am

Hi Pat,

Regarding your C Scale video posted on Tuesday 26 November 2013, 11:30 am, great job playing the scale accurately and at a good tempo.

Your sitting posture looks properly upright and relaxed and the alignment of your forearm to the back of the hand for both of your arms looks correctly straight.

When the fingertips of your right hand are resting on the guitar strings, how would you describe the bend of your i, m, and a fingers? Are they curved like a tight lower-case letter "c" or are all three fingers extended as straight as they can be with just enough bend to allow the fingertips of all three fingers to rest gently on their respective strings?

I ask because it looks from the position of your thumb that your fingers might be positioned on the strings curved like a tight lower-case letter "c". If that's the case, try moving the palm of your right-hand as far away from the strings as possible while still maintaining string contact with the fingertips of your i, m, and a fingers. Doing so will put those three fingers in a technically better playing position.

It will also force the thumb of your right hand to straighten with no bends at any of the thumb joints when the thumb is resting on its bass string. From a technical standpoint, movement of the thumb should only happen at the hidden third thumb joint located about one-inch down from the wrist. The rest of the thumb joints should be positioned without bends as much as possible. I mention this because in the video your right-hand thumb is bending at the first and second joints.

What helps me to get a sense of proper right-hand positioning of my thumb and i, m, and a fingers is imagining that I'm holding a ping-pong ball gently in the palm of my hand when I practice guitar. The hand position still feels very awkward to me but I'm forcing myself to adjust to it because it's supposed to be the most efficient right-hand position for playing classical guitar.

I do repeated viewings of Jean-Francois Delcamp's lesson videos to study his strumming hand's positioning and technique (though he appears to be a left-handed player).

At the 2:50 mark in the video below, the guitarist (Kevin Gallagher) gives a great close-up demonstration of proper right-hand positioning and both rest and free stroke techniques.

[media]https://youtu.be/L0PlECAp_cE[/media]
My goal is to develop my right-hand technique to be like that guy's and a mirror image of Delcamp's.

I hope you find some value in this reply.

--Ray
Last edited by Ray Santos on Thu Dec 05, 2013 4:41 am, edited 3 times in total.

Stefan Srećković

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Stefan Srećković » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:04 am

This year's D01 group is filled with motivated students! Keep it up lads.

Ray Santos

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Ray Santos » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:20 am

Hi Archit,

Your videos for Lesson 02 show me that you have great accuracy playing the notes and that you easily play at the proper tempo. You also have good sitting posture. The way your left arm and hand are aligned with the fretboard looks properly straight and used with control.

The palm of your right hands looks like it's almost cupping the body of the guitar or that the area of your palm located one-inch above your wrist is almost touching the guitar. Notice in your video for "Une souris verte" how the knuckles of your right hand don't appear to be lined up around the general area above the strings of its respective fingers. I think that your right hand will be in a technically better playing position if you maintain a general alignment of your knuckles above string that each fingertip touches.

I still struggle to maintain such alignment, especially when using rest strokes. Still I'm trying to make proper and correct right hand technique a habit early in these lessons.

Please see the suggestions that I wrote for Pat in my earlier post dated Wednesday 04 December 2013, 17:40 pm.

I hope you find some value in this reply.

--Ray

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Antonio Carneiro » Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:38 am

The C major scale
[media]https://youtu.be/-9TqU8TZJ5U[/media]
Exercise No. 20
[media]https://youtu.be/C9W09rcezYk[/media]
Une souris verte
[media]https://youtu.be/R2OuCJCNK8g[/media]
J'ai du bon tabac
[media]https://youtu.be/MkeeoRPOesY[/media]

Sorry for taking so long to upload the videos. 'till the weekend I'll try get to lesson 4.
PS: in one of the videos, I missed the tempo twice (badly), but i'm not really into recording it one more time. Next time I'll try to make it better.

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