[PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

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[PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by jack_cat » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:44 pm

9_Waltzes_Guitar_by_JS.pdf
9 waltzes composed 2011 - 2013. Posted here publicly for the first time July 15th 2013.
May be freely downloaded and re-distributed by all interested guitarists for public or private performance without cost or obligation. Please refrain from distributing in any other notation style or format, thank you.

Recording rights reserved by the author, please inquire for permissions.

50 years or so ago I announced to my second grade teacher and class that I intended to be "a composer" when and if I ever grew up, and while I have written a few things over the years, of course, I do feel that these are a cut above the rest, and so I present these fruits of my later years to the classical guitar community.

These waltzes are stylistically in a direct line from Barrios and Lauro. There are three in minor keys and six in major keys.

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by Denis Paradis » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:35 am

Errr...

Is there a mistake here?

I see a piano score yet the title (9_Waltzes_Guitar_by_JS.pdf) suggest that this should be a guitar arrangement?

Thanks all the same :bravo:

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by Tarbaby (1953 - 2016) » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:43 am

Denis Paradis wrote:Is there a mistake here?
No mistake, Denis. In the preface, he explains why he prefers to use the grand staff for guitar. :wink:

It makes it very difficult to sight read (at least for me), but I'll work with it because I'm really curious to hear what they sound like. This is my favorite genre! :D

Thank you Jack, and congratulations on going public! :merci:

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by Denis Paradis » Wed Jul 17, 2013 2:02 am

Tarbaby wrote:
Denis Paradis wrote:Is there a mistake here?
In the preface, he explains why he prefers to use the grand staff for guitar. :wink:

It makes it very difficult to sight read (at least for me)

Alan
Ah! Thanks Alan :)

Well... I very rarely read the bass clef so that will be a nice practice :idea:

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by Montgomery » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:08 am

Thanks for sharing these. Sadly, I find the bass clef difficult to read but I would love to hear how they sound.

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by jack_cat » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:39 pm

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by Brian Brock » Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:58 pm

I read through a few of them. The bass clef isn't a problem for me, though it would be easier to read your composition if the score was more legible. I generally agree that the grand staff fits the guitar's range quite well, but I typically put my scores in conventional notation because people are used to it and I want to remove impediments to the appreciation of the music.

What I read seemed good. It's a nice collection of sweet music - not an easy thing at all to produce. I see the Lauro connection although my impression was more of a classical / early romantic compositional style. Have you checked out Sojo's 5 Venezuelan pieces? It might interest you if you like Lauro.

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Post by nimaranjbar » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:44 am

Ok I knew at one point I should learn to read bass cleff. Now the time has come!

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by Brian Brock » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:10 pm

to practice bass clef I recommend reading through the first few Bach Cello Suites from the original scores.

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Re: Grand Staff as used by Sor

Post by jack_cat » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:51 pm

Little known factoid:
Fernando Sor published the first edition of his second fantasy (starts in C minor, later variations in C Major, recorded once by Bream I think) in GRAND STAFF - but the second edition was in G clef and he appears not to have ever tried it again.
Unmarketable, we may presume. I attach the file in PDF with a rough English translation of the preface in French where Sor grouses about G clef not accurately representing the music.
Sor_2nd_Fantasy_grandstaff-annotations.pdf
With regard to Brian's comment about reading the Bach cello suites in order to learn to read the F clef - well, yes, and you will need to learn to read C clef too, not a bad thing, but I didn't get much of anywhere with the cello suites myself until I got a seven string guitar with an extra bass string, because there are lots of low C's and D's that don't sound so great transposed up an octave.

Inevitably there will be various comments about my use of grand staff, to be expected. I didn't write them for anybody who can't read them, and am not too concerned about reaching a mass audience. Those of you who can read them, enjoy. The one's who can't, well, they can go play something else, there's no shortage of music here.

- jack
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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by pelogan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:28 pm

Hi, Jack.

I don't have permissions (not sure why) to download any of the PDF's on this thread. Is there another way you could get them to me? I'm extremely interested to give these a look.

Cheers,
Philip

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by George Crocket » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:02 pm

Philip, it should be OK now. Let us know if not using PM or "Your Messages to the Site Administrator".
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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by pelogan » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:05 pm

George Crocket wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:02 pm
Philip, it should be OK now. Let us know if not using PM or "Your Messages to the Site Administrator".
Working great! Many thanks.

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Re: [PDF] jack_cat - 9 Romantic Waltzes

Post by jack_cat » Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:31 pm

I posted these waltzes here in the version I had in 2013.
I did not realize at that time that they were incomplete - I was very happy with them, but they were too new to have a complete perspective on.
As many of you have probably already experienced, one's own compositions are one's babies regardless of their defects.

As I have continued to play them over the years, I have made improvements to correct some of their compositional deficiencies as they became apparent to me.

Chiefly, some of the waltzes, as first posted, repeated their main themes too often;
these sections I have to some degree improved by either substituting new material or varying the theme.

I have also made many minor changes.
I am not posting my changes. In the unlikely event that some guitarist would like to have them, please contact me.
You might try playing the versions here first.

Here are some comments on which ones are Ok as I posted them in 2013, and which ones I have revised:

#1 Gm Ok as it stands

#2 Gmaj OK as it stands... however I have made a 2nd ending at bars 12-16 and other minor changes.

#3 Bm Incomplete as its stands. I have made extensive changes and added new material.

#4 Emaj OK as it stands; but I have revised the coda, which I dislike as I wrote it.

#5 D Major Ok as it stands; but I have revised the rhythmic figure of the accompaniment so that the bass
line goes "half-note - quarter-note" on the same pitch in each measure, and the middle voice plays a single
half-note on the 2 after a quarter-note rest.

#6 C#m This is the best one.

#7. C Major: Ok as it stands.

#8. A major: incomplete as it stands. I have varied
the main theme to avoid exact repetition and made
alternate endings for the main section, and completely
revised the Dmaj trio section.

#9. Eb Major: incomplete as it stands. I have varied
the main theme to avoid repetitiveness and made other changes. At measure 90 I simplified the ascending arpeggio
from a major seventh chord to a triad so that it ends on the one instead of on the two.

Most of these changes I haven't bothered to write out. If any seriously motivated reader wants the revised
charts, I might do so, but this seems unlikely! My revisions for my own performance make use
of the greater tonal resources of my extended range guitar, and are that much more inaccessible for
six-string players. These waltzes as they stand already stretch the six-string range to its maximum.

My use of an extended range guitar has made it ever more practical to continue using the grand staff.

A guitarist from the U of Florida has performed some of these waltzes (very well) - he included them in a
presentation on the use of the grand staff for writing down guitar music.

I apologize for the clunkiness of my Spanish in the introduction.
I could do better now.

jack

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