Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

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Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by sxedio » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:35 pm

Part of the standard repertoire of traditional musicians in Cyprus.
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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by ivanho » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:08 pm

Wow, that was really cool - thanks for posting!

- Dave

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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by Rockasaurus » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:15 am

Lovely! Did you play this on a standard guitar?

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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by Guitar Slim » Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:42 am

Well, I have to say the title/subject line caught my attention immediately, and I'm very glad I listened. Such a pleasant surprise to find after being away from the forum for a few weeks. Very different and unexpected, and very well-played. Thanks for posting this!

How about a little more information: Who was Sultan Abdul-Aziz? When did he live? Did he really compose the tune, or is it just a traditional attribution? What does the title mean? What kind of scales or modes does it use that makes it sound so distinctive?

Thanks again for posting this, ...

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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by toneslave » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:19 am

This is an awesome piece and a great performance. Please tell us more about it - key, origins/composer/arranger...etc.

Great job, nice tone.

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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by Vesuvio » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:06 am

Good morning Sxedio,

Thank you for this fine recording. I enjoyed the music very much indeed,

Best wishes, V :D :bravo: :merci:

PS Is this the composer? (Information from Wikipedia) If it is, then it's a miracle he had time for music!
The biggest achievement of Abdülaziz was to modernize the Ottoman Navy. In 1875, the Ottoman Navy had 21 battleships and 173 warships of other types, ranking as the third largest navy in the world after the British and French navies. He also established the first Ottoman railroad network and Sirkeci Train Station in Istanbul, terminus of the Orient Express. Impressed by the museums in London, Paris and Vienna, he established the Istanbul Archaeological Museum. Under Abdülaziz's reign, Turkey's first postage stamps were issued in 1863, and Turkey joined the Universal Postal Union in 1875 as a founding member. He was made the 756th Knight of the Order of the Garter in 1867 and the 127th Grand Cross of the Order of the Tower and Sword.
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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by Tarbaby (1953 - 2016) » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:34 am

Oh, dear Sxedio!!!

I've always enjoyed your transcriptions/arrangements, but you've really outdone yourself with this one!

Wonderful. Wonderful!!!

Your playing and sensitivity, dynamics, control and passion...I can't tell you enough how much I enjoyed listening to this over and over again.

My Armenian blood runs hot. It cuts so close to the marrow.

Thank you so much for this new work!

Alan

ps. Thank you, Vesuvio, for your research. There is so much to be learned from this part of the world and its tradition. :D

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Post by sniggl » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:15 pm

Fantastic music :casque: You played it wonderfully!

:bravo: :merci:

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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by 60moo » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:41 pm

Wow! Sxedio turns the guitar into an orchestral ensemble here - wailing melody; nice 'bourgana' quality to the bass; and an interesting rasguedo-like treatment to certain chords (which comes to me as a pleasant surprise hearing it applied successfully to this type of music).

Really appreciated that, Sxedio. Keep 'em coming!

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Post by sxedio » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:15 pm

Thanks everyone, you're making me blush :)

The tune survives in Cyprus under the name Azizies (aziziye in turkish) which effectively attributes it to the composer. There is also a living unbroken tradition of musicians especially in Istanbul who have preserved the ottoman classical repertoire and who attribute this to the particular composer. His interest in music is documented by historians but he was after all a busy man, only a handful of tunes are attributed to him. Anyway, the music deserves to be heard independent of the politics of its composer :D

Syrtos is a traditional dance fairly common in several areas, including Cyprus and the Aegean all the way up to Istanbul. According to my non specialist and simplistic view there was an increasing influence on art music by popular music towards the end of the 19th century, reflected in the adoption of popular dance rhythms and their terminology by composers (i.e calling it sirto and not just usul sofyan, which would be the "classical" term for this rhythm).

The makam (melodic mode) is hicaz (in turkish spelling, the same term appears in arabic and greek popular terminology).

I've arranged it based on various versions from recordings and scores, using my classical in standard tuning. I have to admit it's not very guitaristic, it would work much better on a violin :) , and I thought there wasn't much room for harmony. Rasgueado I borrowed from both flamenco and saz, setar etc technique, though this is not in the style of either .
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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by wazow » Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:41 pm

This was really neat. Thank you! Are your arrangements of traditional music available online?

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Post by sxedio » Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:03 pm

wazow wrote:This was really neat. Thank you! Are your arrangements of traditional music available online?
Thanks wazow. I've uploaded a couple of them in Delcamp so far, here viewtopic.php?f=12&t=22701 and there viewtopic.php?f=12&t=21210 . If you are interested in this particular piece, there's a good monophonic score at the neyzen website http://www.neyzen.com/images/notalar/hi ... _aziz1.gif and http://www.neyzen.com/images/notalar/hi ... _aziz2.gif . A good guide for the turkish accidentals notation is this image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comma_Line.gif . I "round" up or down to the nearest semitone :)

I've also discovered a waltz by the same composer, from a live recording by the "London Academy of Ottoman court music" available by the artists on their website here http://ottomanist.nl/laocm/pages/mp3_archive.htm
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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by Tonyyyyy » Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:29 am

This is one of the most extraordinary pieces I have ever heard on CG :bravo:
I have got to learn it! :chaud: And so does a guitarist friend who listened to it with me

sxedio wrote: I've arranged it based on various versions from recordings and scores, using my classical in standard tuning. I have to admit it's not very guitaristic, it would work much better on a violin :) , and I thought there wasn't much room for harmony.
I downloaded the monophonic score. I very much like the harmonies and embellishments you added- they seem just 'right' , I have experimented a little with various bass notes and I can understand the interesting challenge you were faced with. I think you have capo on 5th?

I have an Algerian mandola with extra frets for the in-between notes so I will try the piece on it (in this piece the raised Bb). On guitar it is possible to slightly bend th Bb's when the melody isn't too fast.

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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by kafka » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:01 pm

Very beautiful arrangement and excelent playing! :bravo: sxedio!
Thank you for the links I am found of turkish music :casque:

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Re: Sultan Abdül-Aziz - Hicaz Sirto

Post by jurica_c » Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:20 am

Thank you for this brilliant interpretation. This piece is amazing. I can feel this music as it is very similar to the music from Bosnia.

Jurica

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