Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

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Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by lanten77 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:12 am

Help! I'm getting old and have a stiff neck!

So here's my (serious) question: I have reading glasses that are fine for the distance to the sheet music and to the fretboard. However, I can't bend my neck down far enough to see the fretboard through the center of the glasses. Consequently, the lower edge of the rim of the lenses is in the way, half-way, of seeing the fretboard (and distorts the view badly).

Note: I really could get by okay without glasses for seeing a (blurry) fretboard, but definitely not the sheet music.

I only see two possible options; and wondering if anyone has tried any of these, or has dealt with this issue:

1. Get very narrow glasses that are high on my nose and look "under" the rims when looking at the fretboard , and thereby wouldn't have to bend my head down as much. (And then through the lenses with head up, while looking at the music).

2. Get very big glasses (like big aviator style) where the lenses go low enough that I can see the fretboard through the lenses without having to bend my neck fully forward/down. (I actually have an old pair of these, and it works pretty well, but they are major dorky-looking -- so don't prefer this option "in public." Yes, I admit it, vanity plays a part...)

Let's eliminate the option of never looking at the fretboard -- not realistic....

I have never worn contacts and don't want to do lasik surgery.

I guess I may have sort of answered my own question, but hoping that maybe someone has a unique solution, or has found an eyeglass shape, I haven't considered...

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Re: Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by Larry McDonald » Thu Apr 19, 2018 2:32 pm

I used to wear one contact, and learned to switch eyes from the stand to the fret-board. When I went to a very low carb diet last year, my vision improved enough that I don't need vision correction anymore -"street legal" said my optometrist.
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Re: Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by celestemcc » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:10 pm

Bifocals or progressives, optimized to your needs: ie, correction at the top or at the bottom. All based on your own prescription. I did that for somewhat the opposite problem from yours, but the concept still holds. It's made an enormous difference.
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Post by Jack Douglas » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:19 pm

Agree with Celes. The best way to do this is to take your guitar and music stand to your ophthalmologist or optometrist and let them measure the distances and choose progressive lenses that work. In the end you’ll get a pair of music glasses. Expensive, but worth being able to see everything.
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Post by doug » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:49 pm

My mom was a church organist for over 50 years, and when her vision deteriorated, she sat on the organ stool, and got my dad to measure the distance from her face to the sheet music. She called her optometrist and ordered a pair of glassed that would focus at that distance. ....problem solved.
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Post by Cass Couvelas » Thu Apr 19, 2018 5:18 pm

I laboured with two sets of glasses for quite a while, until I realised that I really did look rather ridiculous propping level 1s on top of level 2s (1s for music stand and beyond, 2s for closer inspection of left hand/right hand). OK, extremely ridiculous! It's also a little precarious!

So I followed what others have advised, and invested in a pair of varifocals. They are perfect for the requirement. They're also great for travelling, when you want to be able to read a train destination indicator and your train ticket without endlessly swapping 1s and 2s between nose and top of head!
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Re: Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by JohnB » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:06 pm

lanten77 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:12 am
So here's my (serious) question: I have reading glasses that are fine for the distance to the sheet music and to the fretboard. However, I can't bend my neck down far enough to see the fretboard through the center of the glasses. Consequently, the lower edge of the rim of the lenses is in the way, half-way, of seeing the fretboard (and distorts the view badly).
I'm not sure I understand all the issues. You say that your current reading glasses are fine both to read the sheet music AND to see the fret board. Is this the case?

You also say that the problem is that the frame of your current glasses obscures your view of the fretboard. Are your current glasses fairly shallow (top to bottom) or do you have physiological problems bending your neck?

Sorry, if I am misreading your post.

I am not an expert on this, so take what I say with a pinch of salt.

Varifocals (progressives) might be useful, but you say your current reading glasses allow you to focus on both the sheet music and the fretboard. If you can CLEARLY focus on both then progressives won't really help IMO. If one or the other if blurred then progressive lenses might well be very helpful. Of course, ideally the frame has to be deep enough (top to bottom).

Many people who buy progressive/varifocals get them for everything from distance to reading, but there is difference between the various lenses manufacturers and within each manufacturer's ranges (some manufacture's lenses are better than other's, but can also be more expensive). For me, who needs glasses for both distance and reading, progressives are great for general use, but less ideal for, say reading a book as often the field of vision for reading, computer work is uncomfortably restricted (I have separate reading glasses). This effect can vary depending on brand and the price.

However, there are specialist progressives, e.g. there are some designed for computer work and reading/viewing a smartphone, where the top part of the lenses is used for the computer screen (or sheet music in your case) and the bottom is a higher strength for reading (or the fretboard in your case).

The best thing is to see your optician and discuss your requirements with them, but ask what lense manufacturers they use and ask whether they do specialist lenses of the type I mentioned. Also, you *might* get better service from an independent optician, rather than a chain. Note: you do NOT want bog standard progressives/varifocals.

As I said - take what I have said with a pinch of salt and do your own research.
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Re: Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by bergmann » Thu Apr 19, 2018 6:29 pm

You should discuss this with an optometrist - he will know what can be done and what can't. I use a set of progressive glasses prepared for use with a computer - The middle area is sharp at ca. 40 cm which is the distance from eyes to screen, the lower part is sharp at ca. 30 cm which is the distance to the keyboard. In the top, there is a small area which makes it possible to see the faces of people at a larger distance. This last area is not the best - I can't use the glasses for anything else than working on the pc and playing the guitar.

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Post by Ramon Amira » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:56 am

"Note: I really could get by okay without glasses for seeing a (blurry) fretboard, but definitely not the sheet music."

Here’s a simple solution. Scan the music, enlarge it, and print out the enlarged sheet.

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Post by Nick Cutroneo » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:16 pm

lanten77 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:12 am
Consequently, the lower edge of the rim of the lenses is in the way, half-way, of seeing the fretboard (and distorts the view badly).
I just recently had this problem. My new pair of glasses have a larger bottom rim, which doesn't get in the way while I go from reading music to looking at the fretboard. They are "hipster-y" looking...took a while to get used to the change in look, but worked for exactly the problem you specified.
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Post by lanten77 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:26 pm

Nick Cutroneo wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:16 pm
lanten77 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:12 am
Consequently, the lower edge of the rim of the lenses is in the way, half-way, of seeing the fretboard (and distorts the view badly).
I just recently had this problem. My new pair of glasses have a larger bottom rim, which doesn't get in the way while I go from reading music to looking at the fretboard. They are "hipster-y" looking...took a while to get used to the change in look, but worked for exactly the problem you specified.
Thank you Nick and everyone. Yes, the main issue (of the bottom of lens frame getting the way of seeing the fretboard) is due to limited neck range of motion from old neck surgery.

to JohnB: The prescription allows me to see the distance both to the music AND the fretboard because I keep the music closer than normal, which I find helpful anyway to clearly see the smallest elements, like fingering /string numbers...

Sounds like I just need to find some glasses that are taller (top to bottom of lenses).

Had to laugh at the suggestion to enlarge the music (although I've tried it). If I did that sufficiently large enough, I think the music stand would fall over! :lol:

Thank you all again.

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Post by soltirefa » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:36 pm

I just recently had this problem. My new pair of glasses have a larger bottom rim, which doesn't get in the way while I go from reading music to looking at the fretboard. They are "hipster-y" looking...took a while to get used to the change in look, but worked for exactly the problem you specified.
Every time I watch old 70s TV shows I am struck by how huge the eyeglasses were back then. They must have been heavy and made quite a dent in the bridge of the nose.

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Re: Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by celestemcc » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:26 pm

All of the above (re seeing an optometrist and getting a good optician). Right now the trend in glasses is to wider/shallower lenses, but you can find some deeper/taller lenses. You just have to find the right optical shop and optician who gets it, and is concerned with more than just "fashionable" frames. (I know, having to get very specific types of frames for my prescription!) Also consider what someone above said: rimless or at least semi-rimless.

Re 70's glasses: oh yes, they were awful! Glad the trend has gone "smaller".
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Re: Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by JohnB » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:32 pm

celestemcc wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:26 pm
Right now the trend in glasses is to wider/shallower lenses, but you can find some deeper/taller lenses.
I wish that was so. A couple of weeks ago I visited an optometrist and wanted a glasses frame that was fairly shallow (for reading) and metal - they had absolutely none of that design.
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Re: Reading-glasses issue -- suggestions anyone?

Post by Nick Cutroneo » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:42 pm

lanten77 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:26 pm
Thank you Nick and everyone. Yes, the main issue (of the bottom of lens frame getting the way of seeing the fretboard) is due to limited neck range of motion from old neck surgery.
I went as far as to bring a piece of sheet music and my guitar when I tried out my new frames to find the ones that wouldn't interfere with seeing both the music and fretboard (when needed). #thestruggleISreal
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