Total inability to form six string barre

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by R_Pegio » Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:56 am

2lost2find

That's absolute nonsense.
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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by Mark Clifton-Gaultier » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:25 am

R_Pegio - my forefinger has bulges just as large as yours - probably larger ... it may be that you needn't give up.

You mentioned a teacher two decades ago - do you have one today or are you now self-instructing?
Are you able to hold an A on string one using the end of the proximal phalange nearest the palm?

2hand's suggestion is not ideal but it does work by the way.

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by simonm » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:34 pm

2lost2find wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:57 pm

... Re-finger the chord (from low string to high) 1 4 2 3. Works perfectly.
Thank you. Neat. Never thought of that. Makes it a lot easier for me. Maybe a tiny bit trickier for phrasing next few notes but it beats a cramp in my fingers. :-)

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by Intune » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:46 pm

Have you ever tried playing a guitar with a radiused fingerboard, which is said to make barres easier? Perhaps a radiused board is compatible with your condition and will help your playing. Different degrees of fingerboard radius are possible, from slight to large, so it might take a bit of experimentation -- trying out different radii -- to see if this might help.
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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by R_Pegio » Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:52 pm

That could be worth considering - but I'm not sure if a classical could be found with a cambered fingerboard. In 2000 after my wife inherited some money from her father's will and against my protests she bought me a very posh Antonio Picado guitar which I would be reluctant to part with even though I can't play it.

Apart from which a while ago my son-in-law's friend went on a long term contract in Dubai and he left his Gibson L/P for me to take care of. That had nines on a low-action cambered fingerboard but I was still unable to manage a full barre towards the top end of the fingerboard on that.

I fear I'm a lost cause!
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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by msa3psu » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:18 pm

I am also thinking of ways a luthier might help. Perhaps higher profile frets or even scalloping out the fingerboard between frets to give more room to press downward and stop the string on the fret. You wouldn't need a new guitar just some modification to an existing instrument. You could try it on a cheap guitar as a test.

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by 2lost2find » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:48 pm

simonm wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:34 pm
2lost2find wrote:
Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:57 pm

... Re-finger the chord (from low string to high) 1 4 2 3. Works perfectly.
Thank you. Neat. Never thought of that. Makes it a lot easier for me. Maybe a tiny bit trickier for phrasing next few notes but it beats a cramp in my fingers. :-)
Glad to be of service! I find the barre easier but it 's quite playable either way.

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by Kirkland Gavin » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:31 pm

There are many pieces of music where a full barre is not needed. Can you barre 3 strings or 4 that would be good enough. alternate tuning's are cool as well. A lot of people do not use a full bare in popular music. There is quite a lot of music In the lessons here that do not use a full barre.
Even blues players don't use a full barre, some do with rhythm but you will find you don't have too.

Whatever you do don't give up on the guitar it is a wonderful instrument that you can play anywhere and any type of music you want. The term classical can refer to a lot of different types of music and periods. heck you can play a bunch of stuff just using tirades. peace

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by 2lost2find » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:27 pm

R_Pegio wrote:
Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:52 pm


I fear I'm a lost cause!
I'm sorry... but if you're so convinced it's hopeless why did you bother posting? Plenty of good advice has been given, but you're refuting every bit of it as it comes along. If this is important enough to you to bother posting about, then might I suggest you try out some of the above suggestions instead of saying in every single reply that it's impossible?

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by R_Pegio » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:45 pm

Been trying for more than fifty years - nothing really works satisfactorily. Spent a fair amount on lessons, she took my money each week, never offered anything by way of assistance, so I became disheartened.

She pretty well implied that my lack of success was a result of not practicing. She is the only one locally who specialised in classical, there are others, mostly self-taught rock group musos. She had a degree in music.

I have become addicted to "Strictly Come Dancing" (UK TV competition) - do you think I should devote myself to learning the tango?
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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by Karen » Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:57 am

Maybe you are going about this the wrong way. Are you going to let the discouragement of not being able to play one song keep you from playing anything? Find something you can play and enjoy it. Like others have said, there is lots of music out there that doesn’t require a full 6 bar chord. I have only been playing 2 years, not 50 like you, but starting cg in my senior years makes me appreciate I will never get to play anything very difficult. The simple stuff is still very difficult for me but I keep reminding myself I have nothing to prove. I love playing the guitar, for some maybe masochistic reason, and I have a minefield of music that I cannot yet play. But I’m not going to let my inabilities keep me from doing what I love. There was a sailing magazine out there a few years ago that had the motto “the difference between an ordeal and an adventure is attitude.” Maybe make part of your adventure finding music you can play to your satisfaction :)

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by Mark Clifton-Gaultier » Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:35 am

R_Pegio wrote:... she took my money each week, never offered anything by way of assistance ...
Difficult to judge from little evidence but that's a poor experience.

Your ongoing contibutions suggest that you haven't totally given up ... good.

Could you answer my question from up-thread? i.e.
Are you able to hold an A on string one, fret V using the end of the proximal phalange nearest the palm?

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by R_Pegio » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:57 am

Mark Clifton-Gaultier wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:35 am
R_Pegio wrote:... she took my money each week, never offered anything by way of assistance ...
Difficult to judge from little evidence but that's a poor experience.

Your ongoing contibutions suggest that you haven't totally given up ... good.

Could you answer my question from up-thread? i.e.
Are you able to hold an A on string one, fret V using the end of the proximal phalange nearest the palm?
A) I kind of have given up because I see no solution to my difficulties, but if such a solution could be found I would resume immediately.
B) Yes I can, but just get a dull thud on the 'E' at the 5th fret of the B (2nd) string.
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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by SteveL123 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:05 pm

Sorry to see that you have an anatomy problem with the index finger hindering full barre's. Does taller frets help? The tallest guitar frets is around 0.057". If that's not enough, maybe you can find some custom frets tall enough to make a difference?

The next thing I'd suggest: Fashion some materials, e.g. bubble gum or Silicone strips to level out your index finger. Bubble gum is easy to come by. I'd use 3M Micropore tape over the bubble gum so it won't stick to the fretboard. Silicone come in different durometers (rubber hardness). You'll have to experiment to find ones best for barre-ing . Off the top of my head, search "clear gel Silicon case iPhone" for a material that may be suitable. I'd suggest thin double sided tape to attach the Silicone to your finger as well as to build thickness of the Silicone (if necessary). For an accessible source of double sided tape, google "indoor window insulation kit"

Have you looked into what's behind that lump on your finger? If it is just fat and not bone, have you asked a doctor if Liposuction would be advised and if it could help with your situation?

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Re: Total inability to form six string barre

Post by R_Pegio » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:18 pm

Certainly sounds an avenue worth exploring, I'll take it up with the Doc at my next consultation. Thanks for the suggestion.
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