The Orósz Technique " -Ultimate in Finger Control Training" -

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The Orósz Technique " -Ultimate in Finger Control Training" -

Post by Vesuvio » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:14 pm

Hello everyone,

I wonder if anyone has come across this and can tell us more about it?

All I know is that it is not specific to the guitar,

Best wishes, V :)
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goni

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Post by goni » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:40 pm

I found this link

http://magicmusicianfingers.com/Home_Page.html

Is this the one you are talking about?
I would love to hear from anyone who has tried it.

G

goni

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Post by goni » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:49 pm

I went on the website and gave my email address to receive more info.

This is the signature of his email

MagicMusicianFingers - The Orósz Technique
P.O. Box 1072
Sanibel, FL
33957
US

Sanibel sounded familiar and I went into the Sakari website. This is Sakari's address

650 Tarpon Bay Road #1072
Sanibel Island, Florida
33957-1072
USA

A little bit too similar...maybe I'm wrong

G

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Post by Vesuvio » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:42 pm

Hi Goni,

Yes, that's the website I came across. Interesting that those addresses are virtually the same!

All the best, V :)
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Post by Tarbaby (1953 - 2016) » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:20 pm

Vesuvio wrote: All I know is that it is not specific to the guitar,
This appears to be focused on playing woodwind instruments.

Maybe it's some sort of finger tapping technic?

Alan

dcarlso3

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Post by dcarlso3 » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:37 pm

Interesting...I am still on Sakari's mailing list and he emailed this information out to his list. From his email:

"I have come across a alternate method for training
the fingers in a way that I never thought
could be possible.

It's a finger exercise program done away
from your instrument and it....is....amazing !

I almost never recommend methods in the
music industry mainly because so many
jump you into music prematurely but this
one develops finger skills before you even
pick up your instrument."

"So I bought the method, went through the 19 week
course and it does exactly what it says it claims, like
going to the gym to improve muscle tone, increase
flexibility, control, accuracy and finger response speed. "

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Post by KevinCollins » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:21 am

Not to change the subject, but there is a summer piano institute in my town by Dorothy Taubman, a Julliard professor, that addresses these issues in a profound way.

Someone here made a video at the local public-access television of her. It's funny, you're flipping through the channels and there's Dorothy Taubman, from Julliard, teaching this profound knowledge on community TV...

The Taubman Institute
http://www.taubman-institute.com/html/home.html

They say

A Natural and Powerful Technique

The Taubman Approach to music-making liberates pianists to play effortlessly unburdened by physical limitations. Based on principles of physiology, the Taubman Approach is built on the concept of coordinate motion defined as unified finger, hand and arm movements. Feinberg

As pianists apply the Taubman Approach they not only unravel technical complexities that might block artistic expression, they free themselves from injury, pain and fatigue. As a result, virtuosity of the hands, tone projection and intellectual penetration emerge uniting the artist, the instrument and the music into a magical musical flow.


Check it out.

Cheers,

Kevin
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Post by tree-hugger » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:10 am

After receiving an email from Ken Sakari Hiekkila about this site I looked at the biography of "Jules Orosz" on that site. I then emailed one of the people listed in her biography as someone she had taken lessons with in the 80's, in order to establish if this was a real person. This is the reply:

"I do not know a Jules Orosz...I know a Julie Oris-Heikkila, a former student of mine privately.
The picture also appears to be her.
The bio seems also to be hers, but I do not know her by that name, nor have I ever heard her refer to herself
as Jules Orosz."

George.

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Post by Vesuvio » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:46 am

Hello George,

The plot thickens! Thank you for your response. :)

Hello Kevin,

Interesting link, I will explore it properly later,

Best wishes, V :)
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Peter Johnson

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Post by Peter Johnson » Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:36 pm

The plot does indeed thicken...

I have also had an email from Sakari telling me of the Jules Orsz technique. Note the spelling here. This is spelled twice in his email as such and yet the magicmusicianfingers site spells the name Jules Orosz.
Sakari's course costs $127.50 and Jules' $117.50. I wonder what you get for the extra $10.

Oros is an orange cordial drink here in South Africa, and I believe, still available, at a much cheaper price.
With the local exchange rate at 10 South African Rand to the Dollar neither course is cheap. Imagine buying both courses.
It really sounds as if the Jules course could be a subset of the Sakari course.

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Post by chuckinphoenix » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:54 pm

I wonder if her name is a play on the "Orange Julius" drink that used to be around. Was pretty tasty.
morcus wrote:The plot does indeed thicken...

I have also had an email from Sakari telling me of the Jules Orsz technique. Note the spelling here. This is spelled twice in his email as such and yet the magicmusicianfingers site spells the name Jules Orosz.
Sakari's course costs $127.50 and Jules' $117.50. I wonder what you get for the extra $10.

Oros is an orange cordial drink here in South Africa, and I believe, still available, at a much cheaper price.
With the local exchange rate at 10 South African Rand to the Dollar neither course is cheap. Imagine buying both courses.
It really sounds as if the Jules course could be a subset of the Sakari course.
If you ain't the lead dog the scenery never changes.

rainer-guitarre

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Post by rainer-guitarre » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:33 pm

Well the "control technique" for guitar is kind of different - as already mentioned by somebody.
For guitar I suggest "Control Technique" by Roland Schlieder (close friend and former master student from The Romeros).
He also has a workshop every year in South America - Bolivia. Master class in control technique and master class in performing with a Symphony Orchestra, amazing stuff. He is the only one that I know that offers the experience of rehearsing and performing with a Symphony Orchestra.

www.rolandschlieder.com/seminario2009.html

His "Control Technique" is in the line of Scott Tennants' "Pumping Nylon", I belive just better since he goes really into the physical and muscular training idea. Awesome exercises for strength and independence and also to train the a-finger.
He has most of it as Video Master Class on his Webpage:

www.rolandschlieder.com

But you only get the real cool stuff when you take his workshop. He offers Travel and Housing Scholarships.
But yes, Control Technique is the real thing for guitar players.

Sean

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Post by Sean » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:37 pm

chuckinphoenix wrote:I wonder if her name is a play on the "Orange Julius" drink that used to be around. Was pretty tasty.
:lol:

Jay

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Post by Jay » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:49 am

Interesting find about the domain name
It seems that more people emailed him about it.
He responded to it in the latest newsletter

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Post by Roamer » Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:09 pm

His response:

Both Jules and I have received e-mails expressing
skepticism about both of us just wasting everyone's
time, that it's all very "suspicious", that she and I are
the same person, that there appears to be too many similarities
in our methods and even that our methods are "the very same"
and are being sold under two entities.

Jules is new to the Internet so she was really shocked.

I've had Internet presence for some years now so I
completely expected this reaction. I mean the Forums
are terrific places for the skeptics to bloom and they
love to hack apart things they have no personal knowledge
of. My favorite saying is "They are movie critics that
never go to the movie theater".

So I called Jules up and told her not to worry, even
Mother Teresa probably has enemies on the Internet.

She said , no, that can't be.

So out of curiosity, I typed in [Mother Teresa] into
Google to see what would come back.

Sure enough, page one contained a web site:

=======
"The fanatic, fraudulent Mother Teresa. "
...Oct 20, 2003 ... I think it was Macaulay who said that the
Roman Catholic Church deserved great credit for, and owed
its longevity to, its ability to handle ...
http://www.slate.com/id/2090083/ - 41k - Cached - Similar pages
=======

Amazing, even Mother Teresa has enemies on the Internet.

One of those interested in my method and Jules's
method wrote in and "AHA, I noticed that both your
e-mails have a Sanibel Florida address at the bottom.
Very suspicious..."

So here is what I wrote back and I'll end today's little
rant with it.

=============================
Paul,

"Quite right. I offered to host the
web site for Jules as she is not very
knowledgable about the internet and
computers and I am so excited about
her method, I just had to make it
available to my students.

In return, she agreed to donate to the
wildlife conservation society I support.

Her course is real and my course is real.

We are very different people with one thing
in common. We both believe that technique
should be developed before attemping to
play music.

She offers a full refund policy as do I.

Skepticism is beyond anyone's control and
if you don't believe either one of us are real
people with real products that we stand behind
100 %, I suspect that the more I try to convince
you, the less you will believe me.

That is the indisputable law of the skeptic.

So I wish you luck with whatever course
of study you decide to follow."

Sakari

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