D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Paul Cezanne » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:10 pm

And here is Lundi again with much better thumb work. I was asked to watch Paul Galbraith and Redmond O'Toole and I noticed that they both pretty much flex much of their thumb from the 2nd joint from the tip. I tried to do that here, it felt much better. (I also braced my wrist against the body of the guitar to ensure I couldn't use arm movement to "pluck" with the thumb. This is where vertical players have an advantage, our right arms can be entirely free from the guitar, giving you great freedom of movement, but I digress.)

This is only after about 5-10 minutes of trying this, I know I can do better. Watching this videos make me realize my thumb is rigidly locked into position, which seems really unnatural. But I just watched some snippets of Galbraith and O'Toole and they have that same curve to the thumb. I think this might be because if you don't but the backwards curve into your thumb your thumb, when moving, is parallel to the string!


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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by William Byrd » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:09 am

Paul Cezanne wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:10 pm
And here is Lundi again with much better thumb work. I was asked to watch Paul Galbraith and Redmond O'Toole and I noticed that they both pretty much flex much of their thumb from the 2nd joint from the tip. I tried to do that here, it felt much better. (I also braced my wrist against the body of the guitar to ensure I couldn't use arm movement to "pluck" with the thumb. This is where vertical players have an advantage, our right arms can be entirely free from the guitar, giving you great freedom of movement, but I digress.)

This is only after about 5-10 minutes of trying this, I know I can do better. Watching this videos make me realize my thumb is rigidly locked into position, which seems really unnatural. But I just watched some snippets of Galbraith and O'Toole and they have that same curve to the thumb. I think this might be because if you don't but the backwards curve into your thumb your thumb, when moving, is parallel to the string!
Excellent camera angle to observe your technique. It does look a bit more fluid. I suspect that with additional practice, it will become more and more natural.

Keep up the fine work!

Bill
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Aaron Haskett » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:04 pm

Looking great Paul! Glad you've found a way to keep playing, keep up that thumb work!
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Aaron Haskett » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:47 am

Here are my submissions for Lesson 04! Feedback welcome!

La cucaracha


Alouette, gentille alouette


Lundi matin


Cadet Rousselle
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Paul Cezanne » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:38 am

Aaron Haskett wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:47 am
Here are my submissions for Lesson 04! Feedback welcome!
Oh Aaron, I really hate you know. Just kidding, but you played them so wonderfully and effortlessly! Your La cucaracha was spot on, great tempo there!

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Aaron Haskett » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:39 pm

Thank you Paul! One of the only benefits of coming into this behind everyone else is having pages of discussion about they pieces and their challenges so I know what to focus on from the get go. I started with La Cucaracha right away and probably spent about an hour just on that one each day (may have overdone it actually, resting my left index for a few days).

I really appreciate all your support and encouragement.
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Christopher Langley » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:51 pm

Very nice Aaron.


Like you, I spent a lot of time focusing on getting pieces up to tempo..

I now realize.. speed is probably least important.

It's easier to play more beautifully and with less error if we just slow down a bit.

There is no shame in being a beginner and playing slow, but beautifully.


I should post about this in the current lesson. Almost all of my past recordings were rushed and I was pushing myself to reach uncomfortable tempos.. I'm taking a much slower lazy approach nowadays. :) I'm copying off some of the other members who post slower but nice recordings.. and I notice these guys also seem to progress fast.
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Aaron Haskett » Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:24 pm

Thanks Chris! That's good advice. I definitely get more enjoyment out of playing something slow that sounds good than vice versa. Probably why jig still just doesn't feel as musical as I think it ought to when I play it.

Also Paul, I forgot to mention, but you were totally right about it being hard to learn a song you know a little differently. I found I had added all these subtle pauses to la cucaracha to make it sound like I was used to, I figured the score must be wrong because it didn't sound so off to me (I rationalized that these little pauses must be too small to capture on the score lol). After re-wating the videos I had to re-train my fingers on several parts!
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Paul Cezanne » Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:01 am

No go back and play Scarborough Fair as written, not as you know it. I just couldn’t without difficulty!

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Christopher Langley » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:52 am

Just play them the way you want and know guys.

No point in fighting it.. I sure as heck take creative liberties with both! Haha.
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Paul Cezanne » Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:22 am

Christopher Langley wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:52 am
Just play them the way you want and know guys.

No point in fighting it.. I sure as heck take creative liberties with both! Haha.
That's a really good point Chris. I was coming at this from a purist standpoint. I was thinking back to the days when I tried to learn piano. My teacher used Bartok's Mikrokosmos. That book is full of dissonances. So when you play a piece, you can't tell you've played a wrong note because of the dissonance, you just have to learn what the piece really sounds like.

That's not the case here. Both of the songs we've talked about are clearly written easier for beginners.

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by William Byrd » Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:25 am

Best to stick with the script :contrat: and not :kap:
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Paul Cezanne » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:59 am

I just the point is that one needs to be aware before changing.

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Tuan Phan Thanh » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:23 pm

My commision for lession 4, still many mistake but, i have to keep posting.





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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 04

Post by Paul Cezanne » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:30 pm

Nice job Tuan! Watch your tempo there is is varying during the pieces. (Cadet was fine) Delcamp wants us to play without a metronome but it is a great tool when starting out, it keeps you honest. You do need to learn to keep a steady beat, the an app really helps in the beginning.

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