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James A. Showalter
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by James A. Showalter » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:35 pm

it was a challenge to play rest strokes with the thumb and i or m fingers simultaneously.

So there were several occasions when I didn't manage to pluck the strings at the same time.
IMO it is very difficult to execute a simultaneous rest with the thumb and another finger either I, m, or a. I have not done it a single time. I find that it is natural for the thumb to play a free stroke and the finger come to rest on the neighboring string during simultaneous plucking. I don't recall any discussion about developing the technique of dual rest stroke. Perhaps in time I will learn to do it but right now it is limited to a mental exercise. It should obviously be a part of simultaneous plucking but it does not have to occur for that process to be successful.

I think some discussion about the methodology of these separate but related processes would be beneficial.
James
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by William Byrd » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:15 pm

James A. Showalter wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:35 pm
it was a challenge to play rest strokes with the thumb and i or m fingers simultaneously.

So there were several occasions when I didn't manage to pluck the strings at the same time.
IMO it is very difficult to execute a simultaneous rest with the thumb and another finger either I, m, or a. I have not done it a single time. I find that it is natural for the thumb to play a free stroke and the finger come to rest on the neighboring string during simultaneous plucking. I don't recall any discussion about developing the technique of dual rest stroke. Perhaps in time I will learn to do it but right now it is limited to a mental exercise. It should obviously be a part of simultaneous plucking but it does not have to occur for that process to be successful.

I think some discussion about the methodology of these separate but related processes would be beneficial.
James
On page 8 of this thread at 7:13 of Lagrima Explained-Part One-The Right Hand Technique, he talks about raising your wrist a bit to do a good rest stroke with the thumb. This may be a problem for you however with your wrist issues but something you and others may want to try and see if it makes a difference. It did for me.

Bill
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1971 Mitsuru Tamura No 600
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by James A. Showalter » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:45 pm

Bill,
I recall that discussion now. And I recall thinking at that time it would be difficult for me. Hopefully by highlighting this technical pointer it will be beneficial to our group as a whole.
James
1972 Morris No. 12
1973 Ryoji Matsuoka, No. 20
1979 Yamaha C300
2014 Sakurai Kohno Pro-J
Martin Guitars (MC28, D12-28, J40)
National Resonator Guitar
Les Paul 1960 reissue

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by Graham Gaya » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:44 pm

Ian Howe wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:20 am
Graham Gaya wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:24 am
Below are the recordings for Lesson Six.
Graham,
Very good submissions.
I think it's a great that you are incorporating the metronome into your practice.
You will notice a huge difference in your tempo and timing. Obviously you will only
use this in your practice but it forces one to keep time, this is whats great about it.

See you in Lesson 7..I think we are not too far when lesson 7 available.

Ian
Yes indeed, lesson 7 here we come.....thanks for the encouragement, the tempo and timing piece is one i really want to lock down

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by Graham Gaya » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:46 pm

Christopher Langley wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:22 am
Graham Gaya wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:24 am

Thanks for taking the time to review.
Great submissions Graham.
Much obliged Chris

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by Graham Gaya » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:48 pm

Aaron Haskett wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:12 am
Graham Gaya wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:24 am
Below are the recordings for Lesson Six.
Looks great Graham, very smooth an good rhythm!
:bravo:
Thanks Aaron....i saw you have a few submissions for the previous lessons, i'll take a look at more when i get a good chance. Hopefully you are not too far back.

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by William Byrd » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:28 am

Hello Classmates,

In a continuing effort to expose myself to the plethora of things classical guitar related on the Internet, I came across this gem on YouTube. If nothing else, it makes for good background music while perusing Delcamp.

I hope you enjoy it.

Bill

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by James A. Showalter » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:48 am

Oh my God Bill, will I have to extend my practice to the length of the renaissance lute works?
That's a wealth of music.
James
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by William Byrd » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:11 am

James A. Showalter wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:48 am
Oh my God Bill, will I have to extend my practice to the length of the renaissance lute works?
That's a wealth of music.
James
Who knew Dowland's lute repertoire was so extensive. I certainly didn't. :casque:
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by Colin Bullock » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:18 pm

William Byrd wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:11 am
Who knew Dowland's lute repertoire was so extensive. I certainly didn't. :casque:
Amongst the most prolific of his time, one of my favorites for consistently good music. Like Bach available for many different instruments.

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by William Byrd » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 am

Colin Bullock wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:18 pm
William Byrd wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:11 am
Who knew Dowland's lute repertoire was so extensive. I certainly didn't. :casque:
Amongst the most prolific of his time, one of my favorites for consistently good music. Like Bach available for many different instruments.
Bach...a composer I need to devote much more time to listening to and watching professionals perform his work.
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by Colin Bullock » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:07 am

William Byrd wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 am
Bach...a composer I need to devote much more time to listening to and watching professionals perform his work.
I assume you are familar with works of famous English composer William Byrd (of Byrd & Tallis fame). Contemporary of Dowland, didn’t do much Lute work but a lot of Viol Consort works and songs that would have lute accompaniment. Worth listening to as it gives a real feel of the music of that period.

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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by William Byrd » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:34 am

Colin Bullock wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:07 am
William Byrd wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 am
Bach...a composer I need to devote much more time to listening to and watching professionals perform his work.
I assume you are familar with works of famous English composer William Byrd (of Byrd & Tallis fame). Contemporary of Dowland, didn’t do much Lute work but a lot of Viol Consort works and songs that would have lute accompaniment. Worth listening to as it gives a real feel of the music of that period.
I am indeed aware of him but have not had the opportunity to listen to any of his compositions. I will do so this weekend.

:merci:
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by William Byrd » Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:39 am

Colin Bullock wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:07 am
William Byrd wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 am
Bach...a composer I need to devote much more time to listening to and watching professionals perform his work.
I assume you are familar with works of famous English composer William Byrd (of Byrd & Tallis fame). Contemporary of Dowland, didn’t do much Lute work but a lot of Viol Consort works and songs that would have lute accompaniment. Worth listening to as it gives a real feel of the music of that period.
I just discovered the new album by Setsuko Awataguchi titled BYRD Works for Keyboard played on the harpsichord. What I've listened to so far is outstanding.
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 06

Post by Paul Cezanne » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:13 pm

Christopher Langley wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:23 am
William Byrd wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:31 am
Just curious Chris. How did you go about raising the action? Did you replace the nut or saddle?
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8XJi7nYsYxAB2peR7

Those are toothpicks :D

I can finally dig in now. Turned my Cordoba into a cannon.

I could use a new saddle, but the toothpicks are working.
Hi Chris!

In a previous life I was starting to get into building cigar box guitars, I didn't get far for various reasons but went down the classical route instead. But... toothpicks are really the wrong material here. They will dampen the sound and the affect is probably noticeable. I would suggest some Corian. Many builders use it for saddles or nuts and you can probably get a sample piece at your local big box hardware store for free. It machines easily with hand tools.

And yes, this means I'll be entering lesson 6 soon. I just printed them out and hope to record lesson 5 videos soon. Sadly, the exam is certainly out of my reach unless it has a really lax deadline.
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I play vertically because of back and joint pain, plus my goal is to someday play a Brahms guitar like Paul Galbraith.

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