Level D02-D08, Ornaments in baroque music

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Ornaments in baroque music - Michel Corrette

Post by Jean-François Delcamp » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:33 am

Michel Corrette

Michel Corrette - Les Dons d Apollon - Methode - Paris 1762 - Martellement ou pince.jpg
Chapter XII

The mordent

For the mordent the string should be plucked once only by the right hand while fretting with the left hand finger (see A), which should then be quickly raised and reapplied (see B and C). It is indicated in old books of guitar music as "v" or "+" (See E and F). Currently it is no longer indicated, but it is left to good taste and custom to decide where it is appropriate. It works very well on long notes like semibreves, minims (half-notes), and crotchets (quarter notes) in slow movements. When applied to the tonic (see G), it should be played with the leading note (leading tone) which is a semitone below the tonic (see D). This produces the effect known as "martellement" in wind and string instruments, and as "pincé" on the harpsichord and the organ. [Translator's note: In English the term "mordent" is used for both]
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Chapter XI

The Trill

The trill or shake is played by plucking the same string several times in quick succession with one of the left hand fingers. The little finger should be given particular study, this being the most difficult. The trill is started on the higher note (see A). It is indicated by a (t) or a (+).

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by GeoffB » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:04 am

Je vais essayer de traduire cet après-midi, Jean-François. Je suis un peu occupé en ce moment. :)

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by Jean-François Delcamp » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:13 am

Merci Geoff
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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by GeoffB » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:39 pm

C'est fini. J'ai donné quelques synonymes entre parenthèses où l'usage américain diffère de l'usage anglais.

J'ai eu un peu de difficulté avec la phrase "Il fait l'effet du martellement des instruments à vent et à cordes, et du pincé que l'on fait sur le clavecin et sur l'orgue." Autant que je sais, nous disons simplement "mordent" en anglais, mais je ne sais pas s'il existe quelque distinction ici entre les deux termes.

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by Jean-François Delcamp » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:07 pm

GeoffB wrote:... Autant que je sais, nous disons simplement "mordent" en anglais.
Yes Geoff :bravo:
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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by bones » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:57 pm

I've never ventured into this part of the site before but as usual I am mightily impressed, great teaching Jean - Francois, thank you.

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by GeoffB » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:34 pm

bones wrote:Je ne me suis jamais encore aventuré dans cette partie du site, mais comme d'habitude, je suis fortement impressionné. Grand enseignement, Jean-François, je vous remercie.
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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by bones » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:57 pm

GeoffB wrote:
bones wrote:Je ne me suis jamais encore aventuré dans cette partie du site, mais comme d'habitude, je suis fortement impressionné. Grand enseignement, Jean-François, je vous remercie.
Merci beaucoup pour votre traduction, j'apprendre maintenant!

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Ornaments - Short appoggiatura - Long appoggiatura

Post by Jean-François Delcamp » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:42 am

Grace Note (English), Petite note (Français), appoggiature (Italiano)


1, short appoggiatura :
01 Grace Note (English), Petite note (Français), appoggiature (Italiano).gif
02a Grace Note (English), Petite note (Français), appoggiature (Italiano).gif
02b acciaccatura.gif
Les joueurs de Uilleann pipes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uilleann_pipes utilisent abondamment les appoggiatures :

Uilleann pipe players http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uilleann_pipes make abundant use of grace notes:
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Cette Alman est publiée sur ce forum, dans le volume 5, pages 30 et 31.

This Alman is published on this forum, in volume 5, pages 30 and 31.







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My Lady Hunssdon's puffe est publiée sur ce forum, dans le volume 6, pages 30 et 31. Je joue avec un capodastre placé sur la deuxième frette (un ton plus haut).
My Lady Hunsdon's Puffe is published on this forum, in volume 6, pages 30 and 31. I play it with a capo on the 2nd fret (one tone higher).








2, long appoggiatura :
05 Appoggiaturas (English), ports de voix (Français), appoggiature (Italiano).gif
06 Appogiatura.gif
07 Appogiatura.gif
08 Sonate K 322 L 483 Scarlatti.gif
09 Prelude BWV 995 J S Bach.gif
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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by StringRider » Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:48 pm

I have been looking for ornamentation definitions for a while now. Thank you very much for giving me an introduction to them. :bravo: :merci:

SR

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by nafetx » Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:35 pm

I have just discovered your excellent on line lesson series - today I was looking at the trill and slur section. Wonderful -
when I get my life organized I would like to go through the series, but wanted you to know how much appreciated this is.

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by aprayinbear » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:09 pm

:D

Many thanks! This is exactly what I need. I have been limping along without a teacher for a while now and playing clean crisp ornamentation is something I definitely need to work on. Thanks for taking the time to offer these audio and video lessons.

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by bones » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:55 pm

Can I just add an extra thank you from a completely different perspective, as some of you know I have just moved 'lock stock and barrel' to France and I live in a hamlet called 'La Guitardiere'. For me the French instructions and the English translation are a godsend as I am learning 'tres vite' - 'la langue' - so that I can teach in French. Presently I have one pupil, a beginner who I teach 'gratuit' in return for her input with the French language, merci mille fois!

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by neo18 » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:08 am

Hi,
thanks a lot.

This course is also very useful for me.
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neo

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Re: Level 2-8, Ornaments in baroque music

Post by CPA » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:30 pm

Le merci M. Delcamp pour votre site excellent et cette étude. Vous la démonstration d'Alman VII avez aidé ma compréhension de ce morceau beaucoup.

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