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CarlWestman
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by CarlWestman » Tue Oct 01, 2013 3:45 am

This fall, the demands on my time have skyrocketed compared to last year. This was not without consequence, and I'm not particularly satisfied with these - the Foster tune is not up to speed (not sure I am capable of it even under the best of circumstances!) but I do wish I could have gotten a less flawed take of the French tune, which I like very much. That one was a bit tricky with its reliance on the pinky and quite a stretch (which I couldn't consistently do, esp in the middle of the tune). I seriously considered playing open B instead but in the end did not. I forget the reason.

Sorry about the camera being too close and you can't see my right hand. I don't have time to redo it. You can assume that in the French tune, I'm usually lifting up on C (the first note) and then planting my pinky on B on the G string. That's about the only notable thing not in view. I can start with both planted but it's harder to do it once the piece has started ... e.g., I am too slow to plant A and C together if I'm coming from being planted on (a different) C and B.


Polyphony – No. 1 http://youtu.be/pMcRTaiuWWw
Polyphony – No. 2 http://youtu.be/_whJ2shxMNM
Oh! Susanna http://youtu.be/Wwd8MdEs8bc
Que ne suis-je la fougère http://youtu.be/lvS2ft3jMtw


Tomorrow - lesson 2. I am ready to be humbled even further!

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Satyajit Kadle » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:32 pm

Wow, despite being one of the first to join, I am late with my submissions due to unavoidable circumstances. I hope to post this week. Meanwhile, lesson 2 is up and the Malaguena is a delightful piece... and I love M. Delcamp's flourish at the end. Ole!

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Beatriz Martin » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:01 am

:bravo: Carl!
I think you played la fougère with apoyando and Mr. Delcamp asked for tirando, it is ok if you wanted to do apoyando, I guess that's good extra practice but I was just checking to make sure you knew :)
Question, is there a reason why you don't embed your videos? just curious, and it is easier for us to view them from here.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by CarlWestman » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:33 pm

Hello Beatriz -

Thank you for your reply. Well, the simple reason I played apoyando is that a) the sheet music didn't specify tirando and b) my previous efforts in CG emphasized apoyando, so it's my default style. I have looked back at the first page of this thread and found where he specified it, so you are right - I just missed that.

As for embedding videos, yes, you've noticed that too. I find that even with 50 Mbps service in our gigabit little city of Chattanooga (you can get gigabit service, but for quite a price!), pages load slow when there are a lot of embedded videos. Not dial-up slow, of course, but slower than I like. It's especially noticeable on the first page of each lesson, where M. Delcamp's helpful videos are. So I just post links to not contribute to what I see as a problem. If Geoff prefers I go ahead and embed them, I'll do that, but for now, I'd just as soon leave it as is.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Satyajit Kadle » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:33 pm

My submissions:

Polyphonie
[media]https://youtu.be/iaFkFxCc0wc[/media]

Que ne suis-je la fougere
[media]https://youtu.be/jYsJltjY8-A[/media]

Oh! Susanna
[media]https://youtu.be/aqEcQeaXn5M[/media]

Daniel Christiansen

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Daniel Christiansen » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:23 pm

:bravo: Satyajit.

I can definitely see progress in your playing compared with a few months ago. And these pieces are challenging, to be sure. On Que ne-suis je la fougere I see you occasionally had problems keeping strings damped, and a couple of notes went astray, but for the most part, you kept it flowing, musical and pleasant to hear.

Like me, you had problems getting Oh! Susanna to the point where it was really in time and fluid, but I did notice that you were pretty strict about keeping the strings damped, which I think is one of the main goals in playing that piece. So well done!

Beatriz Martin

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Beatriz Martin » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:00 pm

Well done, Satyajit!
Actually I like more how you play your Oh, Susanna than la fougère. Did you notice that Mr. Delcamp said you could play this last one with tirando instead of apoyando? Maybe it would have been more fluid with tirando.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Satyajit Kadle » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:31 pm

Thanks Daniel. You kept the tempo quite well. Yes, the chord parts of La fougiere were a bit of work, and that took focus away from damping. Good practice though.

@ Bea, Somehow my Tirandos always end up in staccato and I loose fluidity. Maybe because we were practicing Apyondos for the past few months :) While playing tirandos, sometimes the right hand fingers tend to fly all over the place and lose their 'anchor' if that's the right way to put it. Just two words sum it up I guess - More Practice :)

Now, the Malaguena beckons...

Sean Duggan

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Sean Duggan » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:19 pm

Hi all
Behind again will try to catch up
here are my submissions for lessons 1


Polyphonie PT 1[media]https://youtu.be/4WTlQR_Xi2M[/media]

Polyphonie PT2[media]https://youtu.be/aWJ7VuZYMDk[/media]

Oh Susanna[media]https://youtu.be/oRFBhQjKEhg[/media]

Que ne suis[media]https://youtu.be/tteQ5yIcDO0[/media]

Beatriz Martin

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Beatriz Martin » Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:52 am

Welcome back Sean :!: :bravo: always playing nice, you will catch up quickly.

Laura Staats

Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Laura Staats » Sun Jan 05, 2014 3:51 am

Hi everyone, I just joined the class and am working my way through the first lesson. I have a question about the right hand fingering on Que Ne Suis-Je La Gougere. I noticed that the first phrase starts with i m on the right hand. When it does an exact repeat of the phrase immediately after, the music suggests starting with m i on the right hand. This seems odd to me, and I noticed many of the posts seemed to repeat the right hand fingering of the first phrase. Any advice would be appreciated.

I have been enjoying watching all of your submissions and comments. Daniel, your videos were listed as private, so I wasn't able to see them.

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Marko Räsänen » Mon Jan 06, 2014 9:46 am

Hi Laura, and welcome to the class!

There is no definitive answer to your question. Clearly the purpose of the marked right hand fingering is practice i-m alternation, and occasionally a-m alternation on the first string. When performing a piece, or practicing for a performance people would generally use the exact same fingering for the repeated phrase. But there can be befits from reversing the order the alternation as well. In general it is good practice for the right hand to use many kinds of fingerings, so that your hand will develop more evenly. You will, for example, notice that it is harder to play 2nd string with i and 3rd with m when crossing from one string to another than it is the other way round, and most people tend to compromise the strictness of the alternation in order to avoid those kind of awkward string crossings. But there are also times when they cannot easily be avoided, or you would not want to do so because of musical reasons. Not always going with the easiest fingering with your practice will help in situations like that.

One way to look at it, is that by doing strict alternation (i.e. in this case playing the repeated phrase with reversed alternation order) you will teach yourself to not pay too much attention to which finger you use to play which note, and think your i&m as equal halves of the whole. You just alternate without concern of which finger plays which note, and it all becomes very automatic. The most important thing here is that you do alternate especially the quavers. Using the same finger twice in a row isn't a problem when there is a long note or a pause between them.
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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Laura Staats » Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:34 pm

Thank you for your response Marko. I tried to get used to reversing those fingerings, but because the phrases were separated by a rest, in the end I decided it made more sense to use the same fingering for repeating the phrase, especially since only the pickup notes were notated with R.H. fingerings in reverse the second time through.

I combined all the tunes in one video. Please let me know if I need to separate them next time. My rest strokes and muting still need some work, but I am working on them. I was surprised how difficult the rest strokes were for me at first, but they are starting to get a little easier.

I tried editing this many times, but I can't seem to get the embedding to work. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I put a direct link to youtube that seems to be working.
[media]https://youtu.be/eZJ4bx7JQro[/media]

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by GeoffB » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:53 am

Hi Laura,

I've fixed your embedded video. You don't need the whole link between the two tags, only the part that follows the equals sign. See the illustration here: viewtopic.php?f=42&t=24921&p=296052#p296052

(By the way I also removed the extra link as it was no longer needed).

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Re: D02 Classical guitar lesson 01

Post by Laura Staats » Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:10 am

Thank you Geoff!

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