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Archit Junnarkar

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Archit Junnarkar » Thu Dec 05, 2013 5:59 pm

Ray Santos wrote:Hi Archit,

Your videos for Lesson 02 show me that you have great accuracy playing the notes and that you easily play at the proper tempo. You also have good sitting posture. The way your left arm and hand are aligned with the fretboard looks properly straight and used with control.

The palm of your right hands looks like it's almost cupping the body of the guitar or that the area of your palm located one-inch above your wrist is almost touching the guitar. Notice in your video for "Une souris verte" how the knuckles of your right hand don't appear to be lined up around the general area above the strings of its respective fingers. I think that your right hand will be in a technically better playing position if you maintain a general alignment of your knuckles above string that each fingertip touches.

I still struggle to maintain such alignment, especially when using rest strokes. Still I'm trying to make proper and correct right hand technique a habit early in these lessons.

Please see the suggestions that I wrote for Pat in my earlier post dated Wednesday 04 December 2013, 17:40 pm.
Hi Ray,

You made some really good points. Yes, my right hand is a problem, I can see that from my videos. I will try and work on your suggestions, surely. Appreciate your comments ! :merci:

Archit Junnarkar

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Archit Junnarkar » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:21 am

Hi Antonio,

You played your pieces very well and the tempo was good. You positioned yourself away from the camera so I really couldn't make out if you were playing Rest Stroke or Free Stroke, though it looked to me as if you were playing the free stroke. A minor point I would like to bring forth, in 'Une souris verte' there are certain measures which are repeated which you missed. You can check that in the music sheet. Rest everything looked fine ! Good work ! :bravo:

Antonio Carneiro

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Antonio Carneiro » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:17 pm

Archit Junnarkar wrote:Hi Antonio,

You played your pieces very well and the tempo was good. You positioned yourself away from the camera so I really couldn't make out if you were playing Rest Stroke or Free Stroke, though it looked to me as if you were playing the free stroke. A minor point I would like to bring forth, in 'Une souris verte' there are certain measures which are repeated which you missed. You can check that in the music sheet. Rest everything looked fine ! Good work ! :bravo:
Hello Archit,

In 'Une souris verte' is the one I missed tempo, I'll take a look into it.
And you're right, I played free strokes most of the time, I'll repeat it doing rest strokes. Thank you!

On the next videos I'll place my camera a bit closer.

Brian Hunker

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Brian Hunker » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:17 pm

Hello everyone.

I just watched all of the lesson 2 videos and everyone is really doing really great work. I don't have much to say as far as feedback because everyone seems to be aware of their own slight weaknesses, and even those I'm sure will improve by simply practicing more. Here are the few thing I observed that hopefully will help.

Archit:

Great job on all your videos. I was surprised by how musical the songs sounded. It is like you understand very well how to pass from one melodic phrase to the next. One thing I noticed in your left (fretting) hand was that a few times hitting the D on the 2nd string, the tip joint of your 3rd finger had collapsed a few times. Even if you have to relax the arch of your 3rd finger to mute the 1st string, you will have better accuracy and power if you maintain the arched shape and not let the tip joint extend back the other way. Other than that, the videos looked and sounded spot on.


Ray (Pat & Antonio as well):

Again I thought your videos were excellent. Your own comments suggest that you seem to be trying to improve your control over dynamics (in the C scale) and the articulations across strings (J'ai Du Bon Tabac). I am struggling with the very same issues, but I can offer some thoughts on this:

I'm starting to see that there is a common progression in building these techniques:

- First we look at our hands. For a long time we trace the movements, watching out to keep the proper shape and posture.

-- Then we stop looking and learn to play by focusing on the muscle sensation. We feel for exactly which muscles to flex or extend. We visualize how these muscles control the fingers and in turn the strings and we take care not to energize any unnecessary muscles in the process.

--- Ultimately, I think that just as we learned that we don't need our eyes, we likewise don't need to remain hyper aware of the muscle movements and technical minutia. At some point (after we have carefully repeated the actions enough times) we can sort of stop thinking about that and continue practicing now with our fullest attention on the sound and musical articulation.

This is what I tried to do the second half of this week. After I had learned the notes into my left hand and slowly memorized all the finger movements needed, I tried to think of each of the phrases as an unbroken contour and not a series of detailed finger instructions. I also tried to concentrate on my breathing instead of my fingers. Awareness of whether I was breathing in or out somehow seemed to make it easier for me to feel for and control the dynamics.

I don't know if any of this is helpful. :desole:

But if it is I'm sure I'm not the first person who said it. I just definitely feel like phrasing and dynamics is more a challenge of letting go more than it is a challenge to gain tighter control. Once you do let go, whether you succeed or fail depends on how well you prepared.

Lastly, Ray your close-up on Exercise 20 was great. I especially learned a lot from seeing the way you move your thumb. I will try to incorporate that into my playing. Also the video you posted of Kevin Gallagher was truly inspirational. :merci:
Last edited by Brian Hunker on Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Brian Hunker

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Brian Hunker » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:28 pm

OK. I have completed my set of Lesson 2 videos after one week of practicing the material.

Thanks again for your time in evaluating these and I appreciate any feedback you're willing to offer.

[media]https://youtu.be/RA4HxW9E2Uw[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/K3j13DU3obk[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/0Pn_tFvgXOA[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/GjOlAfwF_3E[/media]

Archit Junnarkar

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Archit Junnarkar » Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:21 am

Brian !

Thank you for your feedback :) You made some good suggestions, I will work on them.

Your videos were very good again. You play with such ease, no wonder your pieces sound so good. You have very good control over your fingers and I believe that is why you generate that kind of speed. :bravo:

Just one little thing I noticed that you in 'Une Souris Verte' you did not damp the strings in the first three measures where it was required not to mention it still sounded very good even without the damping.

:bye:

RogerMoore

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by RogerMoore » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:02 pm

D01_02_scale
[media]https://youtu.be/2UmhTX9aIMw[/media]

D01_02_p59_20
[media]https://youtu.be/zP0ht9hFGus[/media]

D01_02_souris verte
[media]https://youtu.be/anQLSN8Zgts[/media]

D01_02_p13 j'ai du bon tabac
[media]https://youtu.be/OWgf2gQuGeY[/media]

All criticism much appreciated :roll:

Eddy Sung

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Eddy Sung » Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:46 pm

Hello Roger,

I noticed you posted D01_02_scale twice. You did a nice job with J'ai du bon tabac; you played it slowly and beautifully. Seeing you swaying back and forth, I can tell that you were enjoying the music very much, which is important while learning guitar. :)

For Souris Verte, in the first repeating segment, you missed the La note (4th one), and also in the second line, I couldn't tell if you played the four consecutive Sol eighth notes, and the timing on the La quarter note following them wasn't right (you played it like an eighth note). Right when you enter into the third line, you missed a Sol eighth note somewhere. For the rest, you had good timing.

Eddy

Eddy Sung

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Eddy Sung » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:06 pm

Hello all,

Below are my recordings for lesson 02.

I know I misread the quarter note as eighth note in C scale.....
[media]https://youtu.be/Z2COPq45VEc[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/FAmsSLa4PZM[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/UJpqN_2pHMw[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/guD4FsGY7xk[/media]

Any feedback appreciated!

Thanks,

Eddy

Brian Hunker

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Brian Hunker » Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:08 pm

Well Done, Eddy.

Very good work on all of these videos. I believe you were 100% accurate as far as the notes you played and your timing was very precise. Your posture looked good as well. Maybe watch out for your LH thumb. Try not to let it creep up over the guitar neck. Likewise, avoid contact between the palm of you LH and the guitar neck. This is key to developing confidence as you fret notes with only your thumb and fingertips actually making contact with the guitar neck.

Because you demonstrate such ability to play with such control and precision, I think you are ready to start thinking about the musicality of your playing. One you master the note sequence and timing of these piece (as you have done) it is very important that you try to interpret the notes as music. Literally connect the dots (single notes) into musical lines and phrases. Try to CONNECT the sound of one note to the next so that the music sounds more like a rising and falling line and not like a dot-dot-dot. Listen for the CADENCES (natural pauses or breaks) in some of these melodies. Try to play some notes softer or louder than others to heighten the highs and lower the lows. Try to develop the ability to bend the rigid timing demands of the metronome.

Some might say that developing musical phrasing is only the concern of more advanced players, but I disagree. I believe it is a LOT easier to develop full musicality early on, while you are learning these relatively easy pieces. You have the ability and desire to play the parts musically, the sooner you start bringing that out the better and more fun this whole experience of learning guitar will be!

I wouldn't be suggesting this to you except that your videos suggest that you have developed enough control to be technically perfect... Now it is up to you to turn that control into expression.

Best of luck in the lessons ahead!
-Brian


*** OH, one final thing. And this is more important than anything else ... It's hard to tell from the video, but your guitar looks to be a STEEL STRINGED guitar. I suppose you can still follow along and learn a few skills in this course using that guitar, but it is not possible to develop the sound or feel (especially in the RH) using that guitar. I would recommend you get ahold of a NYLON string (aka "classical") guitar as soon as possible.

Doesn't have to be a great guitar. Stores near me (not to mention websites) sell them starting at around $75.00. But it really should be a nylon stringed guitar or else you will suffer all sorts of difficulties later on. :chaud:

Eddy Sung

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Eddy Sung » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:33 am

Dear Brian,

Thank you for the suggestions! In fact, the index finger of my left hand does start to feel sore I think as a result of me grabbing the neck always so tightly. When I avoided the contact between my palm and guitar neck and shifted my thumb down, I feel greater freedom for my fingers and somehow more comfortable. This is a great suggestion as it will change how I play guitar from now on! I understand your point about musicality as I played some piano before and musically is important in playing a piece of piano song. When I learned the technique of rest stroke just recently, I feel it is kind of like playing piano, so I will try to develop musicality in my future practices and recordings.

You are right about that this is a steel-string guitar. I will try to get one with nylon string soon! I heard classical guitar has wider neck. I afraid if my very small hand can handle it (my hand span, from thumb to pinkie, is only a tiny bit over 7 in.) I hope I can find the right size for my hand. I can't wait to catch up with you guys and experience all the wonderful things classical guitar has to offer! Thank you for taking your time and giving me these great suggestions. :)

Eddy

Shelby Brown

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Shelby Brown » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:10 pm

Here are videos for lesson 2:

C major scale
[media]https://youtu.be/1Qd3AK2B2HY[/media]

Lesson no. 20
[media]https://youtu.be/8dEAXYx0Hbw[/media]


Une souris verte
[media]https://youtu.be/PGbaUe2_EBM[/media]

J'ai du bon tabac
[media]https://youtu.be/O7qB5wyoeGg[/media]

Please review and let me know what you think.

Shelby

Paul Shepley
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Paul Shepley » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:43 pm

Mine are not up to tempo, but I'm going to add the various exercises to my daily routine, and I hope to catch up with the rest of the group soon...

[media]https://youtu.be/0ZfR73tmXtc[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/wCIdq8ahDpk[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/YZ5JH3g9hWE[/media]

[media]https://youtu.be/Cs5SYDdFqI0[/media]

Regards, P
D01 student

Loo Kin Xing

Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by Loo Kin Xing » Sun Apr 20, 2014 11:39 am

Hi Everyone,

I apologize for being so late for this lesson 02 submission.

Below are my recordings for lesson 02.

The C major scale
[media]https://youtu.be/watch?v=C3T-nO2W67E[/media]

Exercise No 20
[media]https://youtu.be/watch?v=4MNhipkqLik[/media]

Une souris verte
[media]https://youtu.be/watch?v=5WbMMv0PM4k[/media]

J'ai du bon tabac
[media]https://youtu.be/watch?v=HTlHE-5HIe4[/media]

Every feedback will be appreciated, thanks in advance!

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David Yang
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Re: D01 Classical guitar lesson 02

Post by David Yang » Fri May 16, 2014 11:30 pm

I think Exercise No.17 - 20 are very effective to improve the independence of right hand fingers. I've added them to my daily practice routine.

The C major scale
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid= ... o82eraKqZA

Exercise No. 20
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid= ... o82eraKqZA

Une souris verte
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid= ... o82eraKqZA

J'ai du bon tabac
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos?pid= ... o82eraKqZA

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