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Re: Students' Corner

Post by Colin Bullock » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:10 am

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The question is is it okay to play the 6th string G with my 3rd finger and then use the 4th finger for the 2nd string D in the melody? I'm so stuck on 'correct' pima playing that I only play the bass strings with the thumb, the second finger (i) being reserved for the 3rd string, m for second string, a for second/first string.
If we are talking left hand then 3rd for 6th string G and 4th for 2nd string D is good.
For right hand I wouldn’t consider linking fingers to strings to be ‘correct’ technique, it is ok in some pieces but in general, classical music the fingers are far more flexible and often alternate on one string. Even so, it is usual to use the thumb on the bass strings.

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Re: Students' Corner

Post by LarryShone » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:34 am

Colin Bullock wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:10 am
If we are talking left hand then 3rd for 6th string G and 4th for 2nd string D is good.
For right hand I wouldn’t consider linking fingers to strings to be ‘correct’ technique, it is ok in some pieces but in general, classical music the fingers are far more flexible and often alternate on one string. Even so, it is usual to use the thumb on the bass strings.
The part that I struggle with on Ode to Joy is where I have to fret the 6th string on the 3rd fret to get a low G which is a whole note, so needs to sound for the whole bar, but half way through the first bar after playing the B string open I have to move up that string to play a C then a D, all while keeping my index finger fretting the 6th string. It just seems an impossible reach to me!
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Re: Students' Corner

Post by Colin Bullock » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:56 pm

LarryShone wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:34 am
I have to fret the 6th string on the 3rd fret to get a low G which is a whole note, so needs to sound for the whole bar, but half way through the first bar after playing the B string open I have to move up that string to play a C then a D, all while keeping my index finger fretting the 6th string. It just seems an impossible reach to me!
I assume you are doing 3rd finger on G and playing open B, 1st on C then 4th on D. It will feel like a stretch at first, but practice slowly and I’m sure you will find it becomes easier. If it feels like a strain, don’t do too much at once, rest in between sessions.

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Re: Students' Corner

Post by LarryShone » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:08 pm

Colin Bullock wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:56 pm
I assume you are doing 3rd finger on G and playing open B, 1st on C then 4th on D. It will feel like a stretch at first, but practice slowly and I’m sure you will find it becomes easier. If it feels like a strain, don’t do too much at once, rest in between sessions.
I am now yes, at first I was fretting with my index finger on the 6th string, 3rd fret. Then someone on Facebook suggested I try the 3rd finger instead. Much easier. I'm still finding this simple piece hard. If I just play the melody line, no bass notes, its easy peasy. But when I step it up and play the bass notes its a totally different story. I have to take it really really slowly. So far I'm up to the first 4 bars...but its messy.
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Re: Students' Corner

Post by William Byrd » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:57 am

I am really struggling with how my fingers, more specifically my nails, are attacking the strings. They get hung up, the tone isn’t consistent, and I’m not able to maintain my I M finger attack because I lose focus. Any and all suggestions are welcome. I’m also seeking out an instructor locally, if I can find someone I can communicate with.

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Re: Students' Corner

Post by LarryShone » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:51 pm

I think I'm going to have to leave these lessons. I want to concentrate on my piano playing, it is the instrument I feel more comfortable playing. I thought I could do both seeing as I am out of employment but its just becoming too much. I will still play guitar but without the pressure of trying to master it. It was beginning to become a chore, and I was getting really frustrated and annoyed because of it. The guitar fretboard is like an alien landscape to me. I can play tunes on it, and mess about but I will never be a good player. But without the added pressure of trying to master a difficult instrument I could potentially become a better piano player.
Surround yourself with people dear James, they are easier to fight for than principles.
José Ferrer Estudiante 5208A
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Re: Students' Corner

Post by Rick Beauregard » Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:52 pm

William Byrd wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:57 am
I am really struggling with how my fingers, more specifically my nails, are attacking the strings. They get hung up, the tone isn’t consistent, and I’m not able to maintain my I M finger attack because I lose focus. Any and all suggestions are welcome. I’m also seeking out an instructor locally, if I can find someone I can communicate with.

Very frustrated.

Bill
Can you take a picture, from both sides, of your right hand fingers and nails? They are probably either too long or mis shapen or both. There are many great videos on shaping nails, but search youtube for William Kannengiser's video on the subject. Nail length and shape are a constant trial and error thing for us. Keep trying till you find the right tone and attack.
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Re: Students' Corner

Post by William Byrd » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:52 pm

Thanks for the advice on the video. I’ll have a look and continue to experiment. I have read up on the subject, so I’m have some knowledge. Perhaps incorporating PIMA excercises for the right hand would help as well.
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Re: Students' Corner

Post by William Byrd » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:17 am

I viewed the video and it is by far the best I’ve seen on the subject thus far. Thank you Rick! I suspect my nails need a bit more growth. I am filing them to create a ramp as I saw in other videos. I have the nail care kit from Strings by Mail, which includes all the really fine grade finishing papers. I’ll keep experimenting. Perhaps when I post my videos for lesson 02, additional advice can be provided regarding my technique.
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Re: Students' Corner

Post by Robert Drechsler » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:36 pm

LarryShone wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:51 pm
I think I'm going to have to leave these lessons. I want to concentrate on my piano playing, it is the instrument I feel more comfortable playing. I thought I could do both seeing as I am out of employment but its just becoming too much. I will still play guitar but without the pressure of trying to master it. It was beginning to become a chore, and I was getting really frustrated and annoyed because of it. The guitar fretboard is like an alien landscape to me. I can play tunes on it, and mess about but I will never be a good player. But without the added pressure of trying to master a difficult instrument I could potentially become a better piano player.
sorry to hear that larry, maybe you come back some time.

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Re: Students' Corner

Post by LarryShone » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:44 pm

Robert Drechsler wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:36 pm
LarryShone wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:51 pm
I think I'm going to have to leave these lessons. I want to concentrate on my piano playing, it is the instrument I feel more comfortable playing. I thought I could do both seeing as I am out of employment but its just becoming too much. I will still play guitar but without the pressure of trying to master it. It was beginning to become a chore, and I was getting really frustrated and annoyed because of it. The guitar fretboard is like an alien landscape to me. I can play tunes on it, and mess about but I will never be a good player. But without the added pressure of trying to master a difficult instrument I could potentially become a better piano player.
sorry to hear that larry, maybe you come back some time.
I don't think I can. I'm 52 in December and I want to get on with the instrument I'm most comfortable with, the piano. I've spent too much of my life messing about, looking for something, when the answer was right in front of me. I want to thank everyone one here for your help and kind words.
Surround yourself with people dear James, they are easier to fight for than principles.
José Ferrer Estudiante 5208A
Fender DG 5 acoustic
Tanglewood DBLT SFCE electro-acoustic
Tanglewood TU 13M concert ukulele
Brunswick Baritone ukulele
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Re: Students' Corner

Post by Rick Beauregard » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:53 pm

LarryShone wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:44 pm
Robert Drechsler wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:36 pm
LarryShone wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:51 pm
I think I'm going to have to leave these lessons. I want to concentrate on my piano playing, it is the instrument I feel more comfortable playing. I thought I could do both seeing as I am out of employment but its just becoming too much. I will still play guitar but without the pressure of trying to master it. It was beginning to become a chore, and I was getting really frustrated and annoyed because of it. The guitar fretboard is like an alien landscape to me. I can play tunes on it, and mess about but I will never be a good player. But without the added pressure of trying to master a difficult instrument I could potentially become a better piano player.
sorry to hear that larry, maybe you come back some time.
I don't think I can. I'm 52 in December and I want to get on with the instrument I'm most comfortable with, the piano. I've spent too much of my life messing about, looking for something, when the answer was right in front of me. I want to thank everyone one here for your help and kind words.
When you find a site for piano as great as Delcamp let us know!
All this time I thought I was making music; it was making me.
2015 Steve Ganz "Solidarity"
1980 Dauphin D30
1962 Fender pre-CBS P-Bass
National Triolian Uke ca.1930
Almost as many fly rods as guitars
_/) _/)
_/)

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Re: Students' Corner

Post by LarryShone » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:54 pm

Rick Beauregard wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:53 pm

When you find a site for piano as great as Delcamp let us know!
I sort of have. I've been a member of PianoWorld since 2010
Surround yourself with people dear James, they are easier to fight for than principles.
José Ferrer Estudiante 5208A
Fender DG 5 acoustic
Tanglewood DBLT SFCE electro-acoustic
Tanglewood TU 13M concert ukulele
Brunswick Baritone ukulele
Deacon Mandolin

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Re: Students' Corner

Post by Rick Beauregard » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:19 pm

LarryShone wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:54 pm
Rick Beauregard wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:53 pm

When you find a site for piano as great as Delcamp let us know!
I sort of have. I've been a member of PianoWorld since 2010
Thanks. I'm devoted to my guitar, but that parlor grand beckons.
All this time I thought I was making music; it was making me.
2015 Steve Ganz "Solidarity"
1980 Dauphin D30
1962 Fender pre-CBS P-Bass
National Triolian Uke ca.1930
Almost as many fly rods as guitars
_/) _/)
_/)

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Re: Students' Corner

Post by LarryShone » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:51 pm

I can't possibly do both. I feel like I have too much on my plate, taken on too much.
Surround yourself with people dear James, they are easier to fight for than principles.
José Ferrer Estudiante 5208A
Fender DG 5 acoustic
Tanglewood DBLT SFCE electro-acoustic
Tanglewood TU 13M concert ukulele
Brunswick Baritone ukulele
Deacon Mandolin

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