Hearing aids

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Hearing aids

Post by robjh22 » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:25 pm

Got mine today. They work very well. But ... I was expecting to hear all kinds of lush overtones on my guitar, but the only difference I detect is a "shimmer, " especially on the 4th string, but really on all of them.

There is an alternate setting for music I will be trying.

Anyone else dislike the sound of guitar when wearing hearing aids?

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Re: Hearing aids

Post by jscott » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:01 pm

Hold off on your judgement until you get the music setting installed. that will (should) make a significant difference. Really all it does is turn off all of the compression and other features that help you in speech situations. Of course, this is just in one dedicated program! You can go back to the other features whenever you want. Talk with your fitter/audiologist to make sure that they understand this--you want one dedicated music program with no compression, or speech-in-noise and such! (or maybe very little depending on your hearing profile.) the overtones that you're missing now will pop quite a bit. Let us know!

p.s. I took my guitar in with me when this program was installed--actually, it took two times to get it right. You can play while your audiologist adjusts to what sounds best to you.
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Re: Hearing aids

Post by McGee » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:23 pm

When I first starting wearing my hearing aids, all noise sounded "tinny". After some time using them (a month?), my brain started to compensate for
how I perceived sound. When I first start using hearing aids, I became very aware of a lot of everyday noise that I really hadn't heard for a long time- refrigerator sounds, running water pipes in the walls, distant traffic, even leaves blowing down the road. It was overwhelming at first. My audiologist recommended that I put the aids in and leave them in-not to just use them for selected situations. I did have him make some adjustments at first, but the only thing that really helped, for me, was time of use. I know that I probably do not hear sound like somebody with normal hearing, but once I got familiar with my aids, the tinny sound became my new reality and didn't sound tinny anymore and now I really do not perceive what I hear as abnormal.
I play my guitar and fiddle and never give my perception of sound a second thought. Have the adjustments made as suggested, but put the aids in and keep them in. Hopefully, with time, you will adjust.

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Re: Hearing aids

Post by bear » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:26 pm

robjh22 wrote:
Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:25 pm
Got mine today. They work very well. But ... I was expecting to hear all kinds of lush overtones on my guitar, but the only difference I detect is a "shimmer, " especially on the 4th string, but really on all of them.

There is an alternate setting for music I will be trying.

Anyone else dislike the sound of guitar when wearing hearing aids?
My father-in-law had the "Cadillac" of hearing aids. He would take them off when listening to music. He said they distorted the sound.
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Re: Hearing aids

Post by robjh22 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:55 pm

Yes, I practiced this morning w/o them for an hour. Sounded heavenly by comparison to yesterday. The problem is you have to put them in and leave them in for them to be effective.

Thanks for the tip.

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Re: Hearing aids

Post by Andrew Pohlman » Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:47 pm

As strange as it may sound, no pun intended, I deal with hearing aids a lot in my work as a prison nurse.

My question to you is how wealthy are you? If you have unlimited funds, you can buy "tunable" hearing aids that are programmable via Bluetooth. Most affordable aids are set up for speech only - that's why our guitars would sound tinny. It is a very expensive proposition to get full spectrum hearing aids - in the thousands. That would also include many visits to your specialist to get them adjusted at ~$300 per visit. Most patients are simply happy they can participate in conversations again! Hearing full spectrum guitar would be far beyond that basic goal.

There has been new technology coming out - read chepaer and better - but I have only seen pilot programs and no consumer production models yet. Of course, things change fast and hot new technology may well be available.
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Re: Hearing aids

Post by Rick-in-Annapolis » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:24 pm

Andrew Pohlman wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:47 pm
As strange as it may sound, no pun intended, I deal with hearing aids a lot in my work as a prison nurse.

My question to you is how wealthy are you? If you have unlimited funds, you can buy "tunable" hearing aids that are programmable via Bluetooth. Most affordable aids are set up for speech only - that's why our guitars would sound tinny. It is a very expensive proposition to get full spectrum hearing aids - in the thousands. That would also include many visits to your specialist to get them adjusted at ~$300 per visit. Most patients are simply happy they can participate in conversations again! Hearing full spectrum guitar would be far beyond that basic goal.

There has been new technology coming out - read chepaer and better - but I have only seen pilot programs and no consumer production models yet. Of course, things change fast and hot new technology may well be available.
$300.00 visit? That is outrageous. My audiogist charged me a onetime fee to provide 2 hearing aids, and for the next 3 years adjustments are free. With my hearing aids he can even send me adjustments over the Internet. No need to go in to the office.

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Re: Hearing aids

Post by jscott » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:00 pm

"$300.00 visit? That is outrageous. My audiogist charged me a onetime fee to provide 2 hearing aids, and for the next 3 years adjustments are free. With my hearing aids he can even send me adjustments over the Internet. No need to go in to the office."

Yes, this is or should be standard practice.

I think that these days ALL digital hearing aids come with multiple program options and it's a trivial matter to set up a music program in one or more. As I mentioned before this program is NOT set up for speech and so allows for a broader spectrum of sound and will still be targeted at the frequencies that correspond to a person's hearing loss. My dealer/audiologist included as many visits as needed to get the sound right in all of the various programs. It's true that the asking price for a pair of digital hearing aids is high. Having a good and easily accessible audiologist available is part of the price of the aids.

I never play without my hearing aids (or go out to be with people for that matter) even thought my hearing loss isn't that bad.
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Re: Hearing aids

Post by Eberhard Mueller » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:16 pm

bear wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:26 pm
My father-in-law had the "Cadillac" of hearing aids. He would take them off when listening to music. He said they distorted the sound.
That wouldn't work for me! Without aids my guitars sound like played at the bottom of a barrel with the lid tightly fastened. Therefore, I'm grateful for what hearing aids are doing for my hearing. I'm just onto my fourth set and I am fully aware that aids will never restore my hearing to what it once was (as if there were any way for me to compare.)

As others have mentioned or alluded, coming to musical satisfaction with hearing aids is 90% physiological and psychological adaptation. The remaining 10% is split between technology and adjustment. To all who are trying new hearing aids, I suggest keeping the aids in the ears from morning to night. Play your instrument. Practice in order to extract the best tone one can get out of it and worry not so much about the "tone" of the aids. Adaptation to the new "hearing" does not take all that long.
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