simonm wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:03 pm
I have PM'd a number of posters here regarding the youtube links above. Can you please edit your posts to remove the direct links to you tube.
These pieces are all under copyright and as such we cannot have direct links here. I am a jazz fan and enjoy the music and the good taste displayed but we have to respect the relevant copyright regulations.
Moderators are volunteers and it would take one of us a good half-hour if not longer to edit that many posts - there are other things I would prefer to do with the time.
Thank you as always for guiding me through the direct link rule of this forum. I have to get back to you here as the other thread has been locked.
simonm wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:04 pm
Tonit wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:23 pm
... we are following the forum rule ...
Yes. We are following forum rules.
None of the moderators are lawyers and apart from Prof Delcamp, none of us are French either, so we play it safe.
For what it is worth:
In the link you posted we worry about this section:
Article L122-5 En savoir plus sur cet article...
Modifié par LOI n°2018-771 du 5 septembre 2018 - art. 81
Lorsque l'oeuvre a été divulguée, l'auteur ne peut interdire :
2° Les copies ou reproductions réalisées à partir d'une source licite et strictement réservées à l'usage privé du copiste et non destinées à une utilisation collective, …..
When anyone links to something on YouTube there is no guarantee that it is a "legal" source. By definition when something is published on the internet, here or on youtube or similar, it is not private and it IS for collective use
. This section may be the equivalent of the "fair use" provision in other jurisdictions but the prohibition of utilisation collective
is pretty explicit.
Hope that clears up our view point.
And thank you further for your answer about what appears to be your threat under the Article L122-5.
However, my question has been pertaining to another Paragraph under the Article.
e) La représentation ou la reproduction d'extraits d'oeuvres, sous réserve des oeuvres conçues à des fins pédagogiques et des partitions de musique, à des fins exclusives d'illustration dans le cadre de l'enseignement et de la recherche, y compris pour l'élaboration et la diffusion de sujets d'examens ou de concours organisés dans la prolongation des enseignements à l'exclusion de toute activité ludique ou récréative, dès lors que cette représentation ou cette reproduction est destinée, notamment au moyen d'un espace numérique de travail, à un public composé majoritairement d'élèves, d'étudiants, d'enseignants ou de chercheurs directement concernés par l'acte d'enseignement, de formation ou l'activité de recherche nécessitant cette représentation ou cette reproduction, qu'elle ne fait l'objet d'aucune publication ou diffusion à un tiers au public ainsi constitué, que l'utilisation de cette représentation ou cette reproduction ne donne lieu à aucune exploitation commerciale et qu'elle est compensée par une rémunération négociée sur une base forfaitaire sans préjudice de la cession du droit de reproduction par reprographie mentionnée à l'article
(again, sory but Google Translate that I could barely make of)
e) The representation or reproduction of excerpts of works subject to the works designed for educational purposes and musical scores, for the sole purpose of illustration for teaching and research, including for the development and dissemination of topics of exams or competitions in extra lessons to the exclusion of any entertainment or recreational activity, since this representation or reproduction that is intended, including through space digital work to an audience mainly composed of pupils, students, teachers or researchers directly affected by the act of teaching, training or research activity requiring such representation or reproduction this, thatit is not the subject of any publication or dissemination to third parties and the public made that the use of this representation or reproduction that does not lead to any commercial use and is offset by fees negotiated on a basis fixed without prejudice to the transfer of the reproduction right reprographic mentioned in ArticleL.
The Item 10 specifies as follows:
10° Les copies ou reproductions numériques réalisées à partir d'une source licite, en vue de l'exploration de textes et de données incluses ou associées aux écrits scientifiques pour les besoins de la recherche publique, à l'exclusion de toute finalité commerciale.
(yet again, sory but Google Translate that I could barely make of)
10 ° Copies or digital reproductions made from a legal source, to text mining and data included or associated with the scientific literature for the needs of public research, excluding any commercial purpose. A decree sets the conditions for exploration of the texts and data is implemented as well as the conservation and communication modalities of files produced at the end of the research activities for which they were produced; these files are research data;
And thank you further to clarify that we are advised by the moderators of the forum rules, and not necessaril for the French copyright law.
Then maybe, is it not a good idea to include the wording "respect the copyright law", if the one has already been respecting one?
- new question 1
This may POSSIBLY be negatively affecting, promoting confusions among the members with ill informed concepts about "respecting the copyright (law)", as I have seen among the members such as below:
Dave B wrote: ↑
Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:20 am
I have just scrolled down the board index and see that the section "extracts of works in progress" allows music files. Maybe I could post my recordings mentioned in my previous post there? The trouble is the recordings are more than 30 seconds,they are just simple chords with no melody so I assume there would be no copyright issues?
I could trim them down maybe if necessary?
While it is a very good idea to keep the awareness of any such IP right, the part of our membership with the copyright knowledge to such an extent or limitation, might highly likely to be ill-informed with or confuse with the forum rules and copyright laws, with the currently used wording of the moderators.
And as I have repeatedly noted, the ultimate goal of the copyright and its relevant provisions in legislations globally, is to promote the art, and not to frustrate the same. So wrongly applied and further enforced copyright rules might have a negative effect against the goal of the copyright laws.
Furthermore, your rules on copyright to be "respected" only applied to musical direct links, and not texts so far, as I cited and also have seen some text (or graphic) based protected works that went and has gone, and is going unadvised for editing, unlike the YouTube videos.
So, here is my question 2: Should the rule be uniformly applied to those text- and graphic- based copyrighted materials, and not only the music videos or Audios as provided herein by the direct links that has only been targeted in fact?
And if the status quo is just fine, then why specifically YouTube and other Audio/Videos are targeted?
Thank you for further guiding through the rules.