Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by marvluse » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:07 pm

franks59 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:08 pm
marvluse wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:39 am
I guess the best we can do is keep our passwords strong and practice safe browsing.
The best you can do is keep your software fully patched (up to date).

Frank
And in the meantime? Duh. Depending upon patches is like depending upon the rain. It may or may not come, often when it is most needed. Just my 2 cents. :wink:

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by franks59 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:12 pm

marvluse wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:07 pm
franks59 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:08 pm
marvluse wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:39 am
I guess the best we can do is keep our passwords strong and practice safe browsing.
The best you can do is keep your software fully patched (up to date).

Frank
And in the meantime? Duh. Depending upon patches is like depending upon the rain. It may or may not come, often when it is most needed. Just my 2 cents. :wink:
You don't "depend" on patches. They are an absolute bare-minimum necessity.
On top of that, strong passwords, unique passwords for every site (use a password manager), an antivirus, and something like MalwareBytes that's designed to catch zero-day exploits before there's a patch for them.

Frank

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by marvluse » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:22 pm

franks59 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:12 pm
marvluse wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:07 pm
franks59 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:08 pm

The best you can do is keep your software fully patched (up to date).

Frank
And in the meantime? Duh. Depending upon patches is like depending upon the rain. It may or may not come, often when it is most needed. Just my 2 cents. :wink:
You don't "depend" on patches. They are an absolute bare-minimum necessity.
On top of that, strong passwords, unique passwords for every site (use a password manager), an antivirus, and something like MalwareBytes that's designed to catch zero-day exploits before there's a patch for them.

Frank
Yer preachin' to the preacher. I have been a professional software developer for most of my adult life, and I know very well the issues involved. There are no ironclad solutions, and the best solution is oneself, practicing constraint. Anyone that presumes software can protect them are fools. It is possible, but it requires thought, not software and patches. :roll:

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by franks59 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:31 pm

marvluse wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:22 pm
[the best solution is oneself, practicing constraint. Anyone that presumes software can protect them are fools. It is possible, but it requires thought, not software and patches. :roll:
Those who believe that foregoing patches and antivirus and just practicing "constraint" will keep them relatively safe get what they deserve. I know of no other professional that would espouse that reckless philosophy.

Frank

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by RJVB » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:57 pm

The two approaches aren't mutually exclusive.

Of course, I you rely only on the software approach you end up inflicting a DOS "attack" on yourself when your poor old computer spends basically every cycle it has available on protecting itself from attacks that will likely never come, or on updating yet another one of its protection layers. ;)
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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by marvluse » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:59 pm

franks59 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:31 pm
marvluse wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:22 pm
[the best solution is oneself, practicing constraint. Anyone that presumes software can protect them are fools. It is possible, but it requires thought, not software and patches. :roll:
Those who believe that foregoing patches and antivirus and just practicing "constraint" will keep them relatively safe get what they deserve. I know of no other professional that would espouse that reckless philosophy.

Frank
No, you know of at least one, me. And it isn't reckless. I do believe I have more neurons than some damned piece of commercial software.

But, by all means, dream on if it makes you happy. :wink:

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by gitgeezer » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:10 am

There's been a lot of talk lately about the vulnerability of state voting systems that will be used for the 2020 elections. Many, perhaps most of those system run on Windows 7, and Microsoft is due to end support for Windows 7 at the end of the year. The end of Microsoft support will make Windows 7 systems easier to hack. Although many states have installed new voting equipment, they then installed the old Windows 7 voting software on that equipment. Converting to Windows 10 is reportedly such a lengthy process that it can't be done in time for the 2020 elections. Yikes, here we go again.

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by RJVB » Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:24 am

Risky terrain ... but do you think this is because Gates and Trump are besties or the opposite? ;)
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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by marvluse » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:53 am

RJVB wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:24 am
Risky terrain ... but do you think this is because Gates and Trump are besties or the opposite? ;)
That's a huge stretch, comparing those two. Nothing whatsoever in common, other than perhaps both being shrewd businessmen. :roll:

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by andries veldhuis » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:30 pm

As a fervent Linux user I agree with marvluse, don't trust any Windows system.

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by RJVB » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:53 pm

andries veldhuis wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:30 pm
don't trust any Windows system.
So I guess you're running Wayland? 8) :arrow:
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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by Dave B » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:40 pm

RJVB wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:53 pm
andries veldhuis wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:30 pm
don't trust any Windows system.
So I guess you're running Wayland? 8) :arrow:
What about Chromebooks? I have read they can do most things a Windows PC/laptop can and are more secure?

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by RJVB » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:36 pm

That's probably true in that they basically run a (stripped-down) Linux version with the Chrome browser as the only real application and user interface.
But they should be just as vulnerable to attacks that target exploits in the browser.
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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by andries veldhuis » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:46 pm

RJVB wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:53 pm
andries veldhuis wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:30 pm
don't trust any Windows system.
So I guess you're running Wayland? 8) :arrow:
No, I use Xubuntu 18.04 old fashioned simple stuff.
Thank you for pointing out Wayland, will follow it.

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Re: Windows 10 - Is Windows Defender good enough now?

Post by ddray » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:43 pm

I've been hearing this debate for as long as I've been aware of computers, and as far as desktops and laptops are concerned Windows still dwarfs everything else in market share.

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