Sure.chiral3 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:14 pmWhile this thread is obviously subjective to each, I'd have to disagree with the assertion that math is manmade. I've encountered too many objects, structures, and symmetries connecting far too many seemingly unrelated things that were there, just waiting to be discovered, with or without man's help. I wish everyone could see these things but the price for admission is rather high for most.
What is manmade after all?
Language was possible thanks to phonation organs.
Our limbs are simple machines.
Calculus started when someone noticed that stones look enough alike to make a series.
Atoms existed well before we knew they did.
I think that we need to settle on precise definitions of the word invention and the verb to make.
The meaning I was giving to invention is the archaic one. "The act of discovering or finding; the act of finding out; discovery.
I am not sure I grasp the logic of this assertion :
And yes Maths are everywhere, and have always been
What was man made about them is their formalism.
Someone had to invent numbers, accept the idea of the zero, be lucky enough to meet with positional notation, propose theorems, play with Pi, etc...
This is what I meant.
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