That's funny stuff Rognvald and I disagree with it all. Wait, no you nailed the Pavarotti thing. That was a low point in the history of musicRognvald wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:20 pmWell, I suppose there are many definitions/examples of "Art." For me, this is a camp dog and pony show for the untutored masses. I especially enjoyed the opening photo of Meryl and Yo-Yo(yes, he is a Yo-Yo) laying on the ground facing each other. What was this intended to be? A primordial meeting of two quarreling iguanas in the Galapagos? Contemplative Sumo wrestlers? The result of a bad meal at McDonald's? I especially enjoyed the trite and well-rehearsed body/head movements of Ms. Streep as she read the poetry. Do these machinations make the words more profound or is it part of her "gifted artist" act meant to touch the depths of your soul? And, as far as Yo-Yo . . . I'm glad there is someone to have filled the void left by Pavorotti--the singing clown who sang duos with Sting, James Brown, Brian Adams, Meatloaf, Bono . . . who knows what could be left for Yo Yo-- playing cello on the high wire with the Flying Wallendas in a 40-knot breeze? I guess we'll just have to wait and see . . . Playing again . . . Rognvald
The problem with a lot of contemporary art is that it's dripping with a world view usually presented in the form of fashionable or "artistically-approved" politics...which may, just *may* be one of the reasons that "the arts" have become such a "niche" thing: a disconnect with the majority of a potentially larger audience. And if it's not the "consumer's" place to judge, then whose is it? A music critic at the NYT?
I seriously doubt it. Why would he be jealous? Perhaps you think this because you are jealous?
I suppose you would consider my latest composition high art then. It is a set of variations on John Cage's 4'33 and runs for 27 minutes.davebones wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:18 pmI thought the spoken and played performances were excellent. And the message of the poem seems particularly relevant to all artists, including classical guitar players. I am always happy to see a paying audience acknowledging competent artistic performance, given that too many simply lets the Justin Beibers and Taylor Swifts of the world wash over them. Next time you either play at or go to a paid gig, remember the appreciation this audience showed and see if your gig measures up.
It's getting into forbidden territory here, and I'll limit the observation to this: simply being a critic of this or that politician or ideology doesn't sanctify whatever this or that artist does, either.
Exactly.marvluse wrote:The fact is, it is a trite stunt, nothing more.
I'm aware of that, and obviously if the Mods feel it has crossed that line they will act.ddray wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:44 pmIt's getting into forbidden territory here, and I'll limit the observation to this: simply being a critic of this or that politician or ideology doesn't sanctify whatever this or that artist does, either.
Well from my own perspective I have a great deal of respect for the talents of both Meryl Streep and Yo-Yo Ma, and seeing things like this -- which, let's face it is less than a blip in the whole body of their work -- just cheapens it a little with the smell of "celebrity". And I think that Yo-Yo Ma at least is a person of integrity. I really do wish though that performing artists would leave their politics in the voting booth, from whatever side, and stick to overarching principles. There are a couple of reasons that it's prohibited here, I think: one, it generates more heat than light and two, it's irrelevant when it comes to playing the guitar.DevonBadger wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:22 amI'm aware of that, and obviously if the Mods feel it has crossed that line they will act.ddray wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:44 pmIt's getting into forbidden territory here, and I'll limit the observation to this: simply being a critic of this or that politician or ideology doesn't sanctify whatever this or that artist does, either.
Although I am not trying to promote or discredit any political point of view. But merely ponder whether an underlying political motivation is contibuting to the OP's dislike of this performance. Because a critic's motivation affects how we understand and respond to what they say, don't you think?
On your second point I agree with you.
I couldn't agree more. What makes someone a great painter, poet, musician, or actor in no way implies competence in any other field. They are, fundamentally, human, just like everyone else, and have foibles, deficits, defects, and the like. I think that perhaps, for some of them, they mistake their fame for a sense of generalized wisdom that makes their opinions worthy and axiomatic. This notion is, of course, nonsense.RJVB wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:27 am... Anyway, I fully agree that it is usually rather disheartening to hear artists you admire share their thoughts on anything. The same applies to other "known persons" when they start sharing their taste in and (esp.) thoughts on music. We tend to develop some one-sided virtual relationship with such persons when we start to admire them, and forget those are based one a very limited view of those persons. Discovering "the other side of the medal" can be such a cold shower that your initial appreciation (e.g. of their art) suffers because of it.
(Let's be honest, Paparotzi as I like to call him didn't end up what he was because he never had an ounce of genuine musicality in him.)...
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Thank you! Although rather than relying on Google I've actually read it. Others should suffer sinilarly before quoting (or not...) From it.lagartija wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:34 pmhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/quoteinves ... nsane/amp/