Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

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Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by rpavich » Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:39 am

Does anyone have the tension data for these strings? I've made a personal chart for the strings I have and I can't seem to find anything on this particular set.
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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Scott Phillips » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:32 pm

I would call Strings by Mail and ask them. I talked to Matt at SBM late last year and he told me that they are going to test all of their classical strings in 2018. Maybe he has data already, maybe not, but if not maybe he can get it soon.

I waited so long to try that particular set because I didn’t have the data. I got sick of waiting and tried the Recital set. They are wonderful strings. They sound very similar to the Ramirez medium tension sets that I was using with the carbon G, but feel softer...more pliable. They are my new favorite. And the nylon G of the RL50 set sounds pretty good.

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by rpavich » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:38 pm

Laudiesdad69 wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:32 pm
I would call Strings by Mail and ask them. I talked to Matt at SBM late last year and he told me that they are going to test all of their classical strings in 2018. Maybe he has data already, maybe not, but if not maybe he can get it soon.

I waited so long to try that particular set because I didn’t have the data. I got sick of waiting and tried the Recital set. They are wonderful strings. They sound very similar to the Ramirez medium tension sets that I was using with the carbon G, but feel softer...more pliable. They are my new favorite. And the nylon G of the RL50 set sounds pretty good.
Thanks, I guess I never thought of that.
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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by rpavich » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:51 pm

For those interested. Matt at SBM replied with this.

Here you go.
DIAM.(MM) KGS. DIAM.(IN.) LBS.
0,71 7,873 0,028 17,321
0,81 5,548 0,032 12,206
1,02 5,292 0,040 11,643
0,78 10,805 0,031 23,771
0,85 8,477 0,033 18,650
1,08 7,668 0,043 16,869


For a total of 100.46 lbs
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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Scott Phillips » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:04 pm

rpavich wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:51 pm
For those interested. Matt at SBM replied with this.

Here you go.
DIAM.(MM) KGS. DIAM.(IN.) LBS.
0,71 7,873 0,028 17,321
0,81 5,548 0,032 12,206
1,02 5,292 0,040 11,643
0,78 10,805 0,031 23,771
0,85 8,477 0,033 18,650
1,08 7,668 0,043 16,869


For a total of 100.46 lbs

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by joachim33 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:14 pm

The values for the bass strings make Hannabach Super High Tension (SHT) look like the soft option. I am currently using a set of Hannabach Low Tension ans am wondering whether I should stay lower.

This is very high for something sold as medium.

What is SBMs reference scale? Did they tell?
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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Scott Phillips » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:15 pm

Wow, I never would have guessed that they were that high in tension, but from what I saw of tension data for some of the other sets, it seems that the RC line runs a little heavy. These strings certainly don’t fell heavy. The trebles especially are very soft feeliing to the right hand. They have a nice grippiness to them. The bases balance well with the trebles. They don’t feel any more high tension than the Savarez 520R or the Ramirez medium tension with carbon G.

You would thing that I would have seen a change in action, or neck relief, but there was none. I had my guitar dialed in by a local luthier with the medium Ramirez strings, which come in at 87lbs. But the increase in tension wasn’t noticeable at all. I really like the sound of this set.

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Scott Phillips » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:41 pm

joachim33 wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:14 pm
The values for the bass strings make Hannabach Super High Tension (SHT) look like the soft option. I am currently using a set of Hannabach Low Tension ans am wondering whether I should stay lower.

This is very high for something sold as medium.

What is SBMs reference scale? Did they tell?
Matt mentioned last year that they were going to use 650mm.

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Les Backshall » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:56 am

Seems high. Punch those numbers into D'addario's tension calculator and you get 90.63. A discrepancy somewhere?
They certainly feel about the same as EJ46s

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Scott Phillips » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:20 am

Les Backshall wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:56 am
Seems high. Punch those numbers into D'addario's tension calculator and you get 90.63. A discrepancy somewhere?
They certainly feel about the same as EJ46s

Les
Well that would explain it, because they certainly don’t feel like high tension. Although 90 lbs I would still classify as hard. I just put some Martin M120 high tension that feel about like Savarez 520R and the RC Recital sets. But there is no tension data available for that set. I will check out the string calculator at D’Addario’s website.

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by rpavich » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:28 am

Les Backshall wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:56 am
Seems high. Punch those numbers into D'addario's tension calculator and you get 90.63. A discrepancy somewhere?
They certainly feel about the same as EJ46s

Les
Are you saying that the diameters and the tension numbers dont jibe?
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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Les Backshall » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:03 am

rpavich wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:28 am
Les Backshall wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:56 am
Seems high. Punch those numbers into D'addario's tension calculator and you get 90.63. A discrepancy somewhere?
They certainly feel about the same as EJ46s

Les
Are you saying that the diameters and the tension numbers dont jibe?
According to D'addario's tension calculator the tensions are 16.24, 11.91, 11.72, 15.15, 18.65, 16.97 e1-e6 650mm
I have no idea which, if either, is correct, but the differences are quite interesting.

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by joachim33 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:01 am

rpavich wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:28 am
Les Backshall wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:56 am
Seems high. Punch those numbers into D'addario's tension calculator and you get 90.63. A discrepancy somewhere?
They certainly feel about the same as EJ46s

Les
Are you saying that the diameters and the tension numbers dont jibe?
It is my understanding that the relation between diameter and tension doesn't hold for nylon strings. The density of different kinds of "Nylon" can vary quite a bit. For the basses it matters how thick is the core and how thick is the wrap wire. The relation between diameter and tension is much closer for metal strings as used on acoustic and electric guitars.

I discussed how string diameters and tensions of nylon strings disagree in viewtopic.php?f=43&t=117980

Regarding the SBM measurements I am curious whether they will confirm or disagree with data we know from manufacturers (e.g. D'Addario, Hannabach, Savarez, LaBella). Another issue is the batch-to-batch consistency. It would be interesting to see how consistent the numbers are if they measure different manufacturing batches of the same string.

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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Mimmo2us » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:19 am

the tension of the D, A E wound are damn wrong. There is a mistake :(
here we have the so called globalized stadard nylon gauges of 71,81,101 so the basses tension must be related to these values. Trebles gauges are right
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Re: Royal Classic Recital RL50: tension data?

Post by Scott Phillips » Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:58 am

Mimmo2us wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:19 am
the tension of the D, A E wound are damn wrong. There is a mistake :(
here we have the so called globalized stadard nylon gauges of 71,81,101 so the basses tension must be related to these values. Trebles gauges are right
Mimmo
I will call strings by mail on Monday. I am sure that this has to be a mistake.

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