[Youtube] Sabicas, 1963: Plays Gran Jota Di Concierto by Tarrega

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[Youtube] Sabicas, 1963: Plays Gran Jota Di Concierto by Tarrega

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Re: [Youtube] Sabicas, 1963: Plays Gran Jota Di Concierto by Tarrega

Post by Ramon Amira » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:46 pm

I posted this same video a few years ago. Besides being enjoyable to listen to, it very effectively debunks the ridiculous notion you constantly hear that classical guitar technique and flamenco guitar technique are two different things.

Does anyone suppose that Sabicas secretly went into hiding for a few years to study classical guitar technique in order to play this. Or that Paco did the same so that he could play the Aranjuez.

There is no difference, period. It is true that there are generally some differences in the way this technique is utilized - more attention to tone, phrasing, and other nuances of playing in classical, but these are obviously divorced from the actual technique itself, and are merely adaptations of the same technique for different purposes.

And there are some additional techniques that are used in flamenco that are not generally used in classical, but again the basic technique remains identical - apoyando, tirando, arpeggios, tremolo (3 vs 4 - same execution) runs, scales, position play, and all left hand techniques - barre, slurs, pivot and guide fingers, etc.

I get many students who are classical guitarists who want to learn flamenco, and all I ever have to teach them - with respect to technique - is those techniques that are peculiar to flamenco. As classical guitarists they already have all the technique necessary to play flamenco.

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Re: [Youtube] Sabicas, 1963: Plays Gran Jota Di Concierto by Tarrega

Post by quavers » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:31 pm

Sabicas is amazing- I am a huge fan. But for me Flamenco has proven quite difficult. Rasgueados are unique to Flamenco and are so varied and produce so many unique sounds that by themselves seem to be the most difficult aspect of Flamenco. Also, they do not seem to follow standard notation very precisely and seem to be more approachable when observing and trying to imitate an experienced Flamenco player. A classical guitarist has the basic toolkit but Rasgueados strike me as being the defining difference between the two and can take may years of practice to perfect.

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Re: [Youtube] Sabicas, 1963: Plays Gran Jota Di Concierto by Tarrega

Post by Ramon Amira » Sun May 20, 2018 2:44 pm

quavers wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:31 pm
Rasgueados strike me as being the defining difference between the two and can take may years of practice to perfect.
It is not true that “it takes many years to perfect rasgueado.” The problem is that it frequently is not explained properly and is not taught properly. I teach my students all the rasgueado they will ever need or use in a matter of months – less than six. There is no reason for it to take longer than that if it is taught and practiced properly.

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Re: [Youtube] Sabicas, 1963: Plays Gran Jota Di Concierto by Tarrega

Post by Stephen Faulk » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:35 am

I've been thinking about making some videos for delcamp to specifically address these notions that flamenco and classical are vastly different. They really have a lot in common.
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