Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by soltirefa » Thu May 16, 2019 1:52 pm

I downloaded the midi version into Musescore, transposed it to C major,
That's fantastic, Conall.

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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by Conall » Thu May 16, 2019 3:24 pm

soltirefa wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 1:52 pm
I downloaded the midi version into Musescore, transposed it to C major,
That's fantastic, Conall.
Having access to midi files & Musescore which is free & very easy to transpose with is very handy!

I wish more guitarists were into extended range guitars. I suspect, apart from the learning curve in tackling the extra strings & lute tab, the main reason for their lack of popularity is the lack of readily available music arranged for it in staff notation. So we're forced to make our own arrangements. It doesn't help that few shops stock these guitars to try out.

I look forward to the time when some enterprising person arranges all Weiss as midi, MusicXML or (pref) Musescore files so we can quickly arrange our favourite Weiss to any key & to fit the basses we have. Those you mention for altoguitar are great - but I'm greedy - I'd like more without having to buy a Dresden guitar for Baroque lute tab!

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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by soltirefa » Thu May 16, 2019 3:44 pm

Having access to midi files & Musescore which is free & very easy to transpose with is very handy!
Some midi files don't work well. The person who made the file sometimes has several voices and odd rhythms and ties that make no sense for reading, but they allow the sound of the file to work well.

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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by segobreawill » Fri May 17, 2019 12:47 pm

PeteJ wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:10 pm
I expect most people know this player but I only just found him and thought I'd share this wonderful performance. .
This was an amazing rendition of Bach's Chaconne. Great guitar, great guitarist - a total joy for the ears!

Thank you so much for sharing this. :)

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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by Conall » Fri May 17, 2019 9:08 pm

soltirefa wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 3:44 pm
Having access to midi files & Musescore which is free & very easy to transpose with is very handy!
Some midi files don't work well. The person who made the file sometimes has several voices and odd rhythms and ties that make no sense for reading, but they allow the sound of the file to work well.
That's a common problem with midi files. In Musescore you can help a bit by reducing the number of voices (eg to 2) when opening a Weiss file and simplifying the rhythm (get rid of tuplets except triplets etc in the import dialog box. But it will still need tidying up. Usually it's still faster to arrange from an existing midi file rather than starting from scratch but obviously a Musescore rather than midi file would be faster to work from.

Sibelius is similar - midi files opened there can look similarly messy.

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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by zupfgeiger » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:50 am

Just found Moran Wasser's rendition of the Chaconne with his Dieter Mueller 11 string. Fantastic performance. Also check his clip on the BWV 1012 prelude. Brilliant as well. I think I have to think over my general judgement on 11string guitars. Some years ago I saw Paul Galbraith in concert in Brussels with his David Rubio "Brahms guitar". For me that was quite a disappointing sound, regardless of Paul's artistry. But this guitar...wow.
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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by Conall » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:29 am

zupfgeiger wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:50 am
Just found Moran Wasser's rendition of the Chaconne with his Dieter Mueller 11 string. Fantastic performance. Also check his clip on the BWV 1012 prelude. Brilliant as well. I think I have to think over my general judgement on 11string guitars. Some years ago I saw Paul Galbraith in concert in Brussels with his David Rubio "Brahms guitar". For me that was quite a disappointing sound, regardless of Paul's artistry. But this guitar...wow.
I have heard Paul live & attended a masterclass / workshop of his. I enjoy Wasser's performances on YT (never heard him live so can't comment decisively on his particular guitar) - he's clearly an accomplished guitarist.

I think Paul is an incredibly good musician & I love some of his arrangements although I find his ornamentation in Bach somewhat peculiar and at times unlike that used by Baroque specialists. However I find his top A string too bright for my liking.

As a recent convert to & owner of an 11 string guitar by a different maker I'm bowled over by the possibilities it affords and its amazing resonance. It's not especially difficult to play six string music on my 11 string but the extra basses (descending diatonically) are a challenge. The extra damping required is difficult too. But if you already play 6 strings well and have the time & determination it's worth the effort & allows the reading of Renaissance lute tablature, more faithful transcriptions of Baroque lute music by Weiss & others, better arrangements of Bach Lautenwerk music, Bach cello suites as written (original keys & pitches), better bass lines than that possible on any 6 string guitar music and transcriptions of keyboard & other music of any period.

My 11 string is an extended standard 6 string tuning (EBGDAE with descending basses DCBAG, 7th & 8th frettable, 9-11 floating. All basses are of course tunable up or down a semitone). Baroque 11 course lute tuning would be possible too but that would restrict me to Weiss etc. Most 11 string guitars are altos in G (up a minor 3rd) but I wanted mine in E for regular 6 string music & to avoid it acting like a transposing instrument).

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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by zupfgeiger » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:06 am

Conall wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:29 am
zupfgeiger wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:50 am
Just found Moran Wasser's rendition of the Chaconne with his Dieter Mueller 11 string. Fantastic performance. Also check his clip on the BWV 1012 prelude. Brilliant as well. I think I have to think over my general judgement on 11string guitars. Some years ago I saw Paul Galbraith in concert in Brussels with his David Rubio "Brahms guitar". For me that was quite a disappointing sound, regardless of Paul's artistry. But this guitar...wow.
I have heard Paul live & attended a masterclass / workshop of his. I enjoy Wasser's performances on YT (never heard him live so can't comment decisively on his particular guitar) - he's clearly an accomplished guitarist.

I think Paul is an incredibly good musician & I love some of his arrangements although I find his ornamentation in Bach somewhat peculiar and at times unlike that used by Baroque specialists. However I find his top A string too bright for my liking.

As a recent convert to & owner of an 11 string guitar by a different maker I'm bowled over by the possibilities it affords and its amazing resonance. It's not especially difficult to play six string music on my 11 string but the extra basses (descending diatonically) are a challenge. The extra damping required is difficult too. But if you already play 6 strings well and have the time & determination it's worth the effort & allows the reading of Renaissance lute tablature, more faithful transcriptions of Baroque lute music by Weiss & others, better arrangements of Bach Lautenwerk music, Bach cello suites as written (original keys & pitches), better bass lines than that possible on any 6 string guitar music and transcriptions of keyboard & other music of any period.

My 11 string is an extended standard 6 string tuning (EBGDAE with descending basses DCBAG, 7th & 8th frettable, 9-11 floating. All basses are of course tunable up or down a semitone). Baroque 11 course lute tuning would be possible too but that would restrict me to Weiss etc. Most 11 string guitars are altos in G (up a minor 3rd) but I wanted mine in E for regular 6 string music & to avoid it acting like a transposing instrument).
Thanks for your thoughts and advice on 11 string instruments. My teacher Hugues Navez in Brussels plays a 11 string Ramirez for many years as his standard instrument. What surprises me is the fact that he has to tune down the E string to D although 5 additional bass strings are available.
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Re: Bach Chaconne played by Moran Wasser on 11 string guitar

Post by Conall » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:33 pm

zupfgeiger wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:06 am
Thanks for your thoughts and advice on 11 string instruments. My teacher Hugues Navez in Brussels plays a 11 string Ramirez for many years as his standard instrument. What surprises me is the fact that he has to tune down the E string to D although 5 additional bass strings are available.
Is suppose it depends on what overall tuning your teacher uses for the 11 string.

I have noticed that there are some pieces that don't especially benefit using the 7th D - for example Capricho Arabe. I'm so used to playing it on 6 string that my thumb sometimes hits the 6th rather than 7th when I play it on 11 string. Some chord shapes are no easier when the 6th is left at E and 7th is D. If you find a 6 string strummed chord in a dropped D piece, switching to a 7+ string guitar & leaving 6=E, 7=D means having to avoid the 6th. So perhaps this is what your teacher finds too. But I suspect it depends on the piece - some dropped D pieces are slightly easier, some no easier.

But at least we have more choices with more strings. An 8 string with all strings on fingerboard allows low notes normally fretted in low positions to be played in higher positions so if 7=D, 8=C the F normally played in fret 1 6th string can now be played in 3rd (string 7) or 5th fret (string 8). This means you can play chords with high and these low notes combined. I'm finding this very useful in transcriptions of Weiss etc.

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