Use of 'c' RH Finger

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Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by DaveLeeNC » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:16 pm

Left over from my playing back in the 80's (didn't touch a guitar from 1984 or so until 2016) was the use of the c finger (pinky) when playing 5 string chords. This popped up naturally in a couple of pop/jazz pieces and I got pretty comfortable using it (rarely use it outside of 5 string chords). Oddly my c fingernail is the only nail that I have that doesn't crack/break/split easily. To balance out with the other fingers it does need to be a tad longer than the others (or maybe that is its far shorter length - ala' Jason Vieaux's p nail).

I have been working on Villa Lobos Prelude's 1 and 3 and am finding the use of c to be both natural and a bit less trouble than a strum in several(not all) places. And I can control the sound better that way, although maybe that is simply a lack of skill on my part on 'the strum'.

How many others out there regularly use the c finger?

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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by soltirefa » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:56 pm

Here's a previous discussion.

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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by DaveLeeNC » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:26 pm

Thanks - very helpful and interesting.

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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by Todd Tipton » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:46 pm

I also use c a lot in HVL for many 5 note chords. In the 3rd prelude, a few well placed rolls are far more effective without rolling everything.
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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by Alan Green » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:50 am

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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by Frank Nordberg » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:32 pm

My answer is, if you feel comfortable with use your c finger, go for it.

If not, it's still a good idea to practice with it for two reasons. One is of course that maybe sometimes you can develop it enough to be useful but a more important reason is balance. Building some msucles and ignoring others is never really a good idea and a weak an poorly controlled little finger can easily build tension that affects the whole hand and itnerfers with the movements of the other fingers.

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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by Stephen Kenyon » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:24 pm

Villa Lobos used that finger himself and it seems to work well in a few places. The only problem with extensive use of that finger, in my observation, is that its advocates can lose good tone across the whole hand for a small extra technical flexibility.
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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by guit-box » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:44 pm

One of the guitarists on Tonebase has a practice routine lesson on using c, but I forget who it was.
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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by ronjazz » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:16 am

Rafael Aguirre is the tone base artist, and I love his 5-finger stuff, really good.
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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by Kent » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:23 am

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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by Ricflair » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:52 am

DaveLeeNC wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:16 pm
Left over from my playing back in the 80's (didn't touch a guitar from 1984 or so until 2016) was the use of the c finger (pinky) when playing 5 string chords. This popped up naturally in a couple of pop/jazz pieces and I got pretty comfortable using it (rarely use it outside of 5 string chords). Oddly my c fingernail is the only nail that I have that doesn't crack/break/split easily. To balance out with the other fingers it does need to be a tad longer than the others (or maybe that is its far shorter length - ala' Jason Vieaux's p nail).

I have been working on Villa Lobos Prelude's 1 and 3 and am finding the use of c to be both natural and a bit less trouble than a strum in several(not all) places. And I can control the sound better that way, although maybe that is simply a lack of skill on my part on 'the strum'.

How many others out there regularly use the c finger?

dave
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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by ronjazz » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:38 pm

The usefulness of the c finger becomes really evident if one, as I did, develops focal dystonia in the i finger. In my case, my thumb and index fingers on the right hand became smeared or confused on the cellular level, and are no longer fully independent of each other. While I explored Postlewaite's books many years ago, I found that working with p-m-a-c became a way back into playing some classical repertoire and also playing chord accompaniments in my jazz and Latin work. The supinated posture that brings the c finger closer to the strings can produce great tone if you do your nails to accommodate it, as Thomas Viloteau demonstrates on tonebase. I now incorporate p-i-m-a-c-a-m-i arpeggios in my daily practice, as well as chord studies using 4 and 5 strings. This has had the effect of balancing the hand and improving the relationship between p and i, thus effecting a "cure", little by little, of my dystonia. In any event, the use of the c finger is an improvement in efficiency, if nothing else.
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Re: Use of 'c' RH Finger

Post by Luis_Br » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:02 pm

I think I've said before. I use it eventually. I've broke the c finger when young and it is further from other fingers than a regular hand. It is difficult to equalize its sound with other fingers. I think it is already hard to find good hand position for thumb and the other 3 fingers...
In my case 'c' finger generally sounds much more metalic, that is the reason I hardly explore its use. For this same reason it is good for artificial harmonics and I mainly use it for that.

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