Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

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Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by t_rod » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:03 pm

Hey all,

Im currently working on Choro da Saudade by Barrios. Its a beautiful piece and is also of a relevant theme for an unfortunate tragedy in my family. Anyway, I am having trouble on the 1st Fret (6th String), 5th Fret (4th string) 6th Fret(3rd string) 6th fret (1st string) stretch. I only need a couple of millimeters to be able to reach. Right now I land directly on top of the fret. Do you guys have any suggestions? Thanks!

e------------6-----------------
B------------------------------
G------------6-----------------
D-----------5------------------
G------------------------------
D--1---------------------------

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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by Tarbaby (1953 - 2016) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:53 pm

Hi Tyler,

Sorry to hear of your family's sadness. :(

This notorious passage can be a real heartbreaker. I think Barrios must have had a smaller guitar than we have today!

What helps me get that low note is to bring my left elbow in as close to my body as possible. I have to keep my index finger as straight as I can, as if I were pointing at the headstock. It works about 7 out of 10 times...

Hope that helps a little!

Alan

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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by Denian Arcoleo » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:17 pm

Why not try cello thumb technique? Bring your left thumb round to the front of the fretboard and finger that low Eb with it, makes the stretch fairly straightforward!
:D

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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by Tarbaby (1953 - 2016) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:21 pm

Thanks, Denian. I just tried that and YEOUCH! :chaud:

I think I'd be better off using my nose... :mrgreen:

Alan

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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by Denian Arcoleo » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:24 pm

Or your chin like that extraordinary Russian chap on youtube :lol:

Happy New Year BTW

Macleod410

Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by Macleod410 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:34 pm

You can do an edit and take the bass note up an octave !

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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by Tarbaby (1953 - 2016) » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:35 pm

Macleod410 wrote:You can do an edit and take the bass note up an octave !
Sergio Abreu told me that's what his grandfather used to do when his arthritis kicked in. :wink:

Alan

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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by David Norton » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:38 pm

Do a cross-fret barre, and play the c# on (2) with the lower phalange of your index finger, and the bass note with the fingertip as usual.

e------------6-----------------
B------------2------------------
G-----------------------------
D-----------5------------------
G------------------------------
D--1---------------------------
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t_rod

Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by t_rod » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:50 pm

Thanks for all the responses and your concern!

I tried the cello technique and its just not for me, but the cross bar works perfectly! Thank you Mr. Norton, this passage is relatively straight forward now. I just need to get around the awkward feel at first but I think it will come together. Tarbaby, your tips have also helped as they have made doing it the "standard" way easier as well but I will apply them with the cross bar because it seems to be the most efficient for me.

Again, much appreciation for all you guys on the forum!

t_rod

Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by t_rod » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:19 pm

so far I find it easiest when starting the barre on the 2nd fret E in order the catch the c# along with it, then moving the fingertip of my index to the 1st fret Eb for the cross barre.

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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by David Norton » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:18 pm

Glad it works for you. I cannot claim one bit of "original thought" for the cross-barre idea. It was suggested to me 30-some years ago by Rico Stover himself. I think he also did the E to Eb "fingertip-slip" maneuver.
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Re: Need ~2mm more reach for Choro da Saudade

Post by t_rod » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:37 am

Thats very interesting, Rico Stover is certainly an expert on Barrios so its assuring to know I'm "attempting" to play this piece in a similar manner. :guitare:

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