Yamaha GC82S

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:52 pm

SteveL123 wrote:
Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:25 pm
Found this interview of Akio Nanaki Yamaha Guitar Designer that may be of interest.
Yes...I am not certain, but Bird Ekachai Jearakul may be playing a GC-71. A Japanese translator would have helped to bring more clarity to Akio Naniki's comments.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by nmshu1 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:38 pm

I tried many, various kinds of guitars with different bracing patterns,different materials, different design....... I bought some guitars from different sellers at the different locations at the different price range. After checking their bracing patterns later, I found that they have similar bracing patterns...

That means the bracing pattern contributes mainly to sound quality/characteristics...

That means the nice guitars I prefer have the same/similar bracing patterns...
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:22 am

nmshu1 wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:38 pm
I tried many, various kinds of guitars with different bracing patterns,different materials, different design....... I bought some guitars from different sellers at the different locations at the different price range. After checking their bracing patterns later, I found that they have similar bracing patterns...

That means the bracing pattern contributes mainly to sound quality/characteristics...

That means the nice guitars I prefer have the same/similar bracing patterns...
What is your preferred bracing pattern? Lattice...traditional fan...?
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by nmshu1 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:36 am

Beowulf wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:22 am
nmshu1 wrote:
Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:38 pm
I tried many, various kinds of guitars with different bracing patterns,different materials, different design....... I bought some guitars from different sellers at the different locations at the different price range. After checking their bracing patterns later, I found that they have similar bracing patterns...

That means the bracing pattern contributes mainly to sound quality/characteristics...

That means the nice guitars I prefer have the same/similar bracing patterns...
What is your preferred bracing pattern? Lattice...traditional fan...?
All my guitars are fan bracing except Kenny Hill Performance 630 (double top, lattice).
When I want to buy guitar, I always focus on sound quality and playability. I do not care who build it, what materials are used, what kind of bracing pattern is used, the price range...
2014 Otto Vowinkel Concert 650, 2012 Córdoba C9 650, 2013 Córdoba C9 650
2015 Paulino Bernabe Torres 645
2015 Juan Hernandez Torres 640, 1986 Sweet Tone 640
2016 German V. Rubio Concert 635, 2016 German V. Rubio Estudio 635
2015 Kenny Hill Performance 630

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:17 pm

The fan:
Fan bracing.jpg
The origin of fan bracing:
The Origin of Fan Bracing.jpg
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:34 pm

As to the greater ease of playing with the GC82S, apart from the more responsive top, the neck is easier for me to handle.

GC-10 neck thickness: F1-23.5mm; F9-24.5mm

GC82S neck thickness: F1-21mm; F9-23mm

Edit: GC82S F9 correction.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by HNLim » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:16 pm

Beowulf wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:34 pm
As to the greater ease of playing with the GC82S, apart from the more responsive top, the neck is easier for me to handle.

GC-10 neck thickness: F1-23.5mm; F9-24.5mm

GC82S neck thickness: F1-21mm; F9-23.5mm
Could it be psychological?
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by souldier » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:40 pm

HNLim wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:16 pm
Beowulf wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:34 pm
As to the greater ease of playing with the GC82S, apart from the more responsive top, the neck is easier for me to handle.

GC-10 neck thickness: F1-23.5mm; F9-24.5mm

GC82S neck thickness: F1-21mm; F9-23.5mm
Could it be psychological?
I've also found that guitars with thinner nicks are significantly easier to play for me than thicker ones. I'm certain it is more than psychological because often I'll just pick up a guitar without assessing the neck and discover how much more comfortable it is only after playing some of my more difficult repertoire on it. But of course there are other factors that go into playability, but for me neck thickness and shape is a major one. However, I have small hands and I could imagine a thin neck would be problematic for those with larger hands.
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On another note, Douglas what strings have you found to work well for your GC82?
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:00 pm

HNLim wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:16 pm
Beowulf wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:34 pm
As to the greater ease of playing with the GC82S, apart from the more responsive top, the neck is easier for me to handle.

GC-10 neck thickness: F1-23.5mm; F9-24.5mm

GC82S neck thickness: F1-21mm; F9-23.5mm
Could it be psychological?
Well, I have practised as a psychologist and Jungian analyst for around 35 years now, so I think I can assess "psychological" contributions to experience... :lol:

Actually, no. After playing my GC-10 for 45 years, I was immediately aware that my left hand found it easier to fret and barré (in particular it is easier to shift the position of my index finger on the frets and thus avoid a slight buzz which may occur when a string falls into a finger crease) on the GC82S. The neck on the GC82S also has a slightly broader flat section...both are a slightly flattened D shape. My hands are not large and my index finger is quite a bit shorter than my m & a. All in all, the reduced scale and neck thickness both contribute to more relaxed and easier playing.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:29 pm

souldier wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:40 pm

I've also found that guitars with thinner nicks are significantly easier to play for me than thicker ones. I'm certain it is more than psychological because often I'll just pick up a guitar without assessing the neck and discover how much more comfortable it is only after playing some of my more difficult repertoire on it. But of course there are other factors that go into playability, but for me neck thickness and shape is a major one. However, I have small hands and I could imagine a thin neck would be problematic for those with larger hands.
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On another note, Douglas what strings have you found to work well for your GC82?
Sheldon:

You have played many more guitars than I have, however our experience is similar. My index finger is 2cm shorter than "m" and my pinky is 3cm shorter, so the thinner neck helps not only with the barré, but also with stretches (as does the reduced scale). I am already noticing less fatigue in my left hand thumb. I know the difference in thickness is slight (2.5mm), but it allows me to extend my fingers slightly further across the frets with less muscular strain.

After a couple of weeks, I have only used the strings that came on the guitar: Augustine Regal/Blue. I have been using the same strings on my GC-10 for close to a year now (in order to prepare for the touch, relative tension between strings, character, etc., as much as possible) and this will allow me to compare the two guitars (playability, sound character...) with familiar strings. It will take me a while attend to and describe all the qualities of the strings on the GC82S.

I can say that I am delighted with the e string: bright, brilliant and powerful when I push it; sweet, singing and lyrical when played delicately.
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by nmshu1 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:41 pm

Beowulf wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:00 pm
HNLim wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:16 pm
Beowulf wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:34 pm
As to the greater ease of playing with the GC82S, apart from the more responsive top, the neck is easier for me to handle.

GC-10 neck thickness: F1-23.5mm; F9-24.5mm

GC82S neck thickness: F1-21mm; F9-23.5mm
Could it be psychological?
Well, I have practised as a psychologist and Jungian analyst for around 35 years now, so I think I can assess "psychological" contributions to experience... :lol:

Actually, no. After playing my GC-10 for 45 years, I was immediately aware that my left hand found it easier to fret and barré (in particular it is easier to shift the position of my index finger on the frets and thus avoid a slight buzz which may occur when a string falls into a finger crease) on the GC82S. The neck on the GC82S also has a slightly broader flat section...both are a slightly flattened D shape. My hands are not large and my index finger is quite a bit shorter than my m & a. All in all, the reduced scale and neck thickness both contribute to more relaxed and easier playing.
My Córdoba C9 650, Juan Hernandez Torres 640, Otto Vowinkel 650...... are F1-21mm. For my small hand, thinner neck is easier to play... Neck shape is also important to ease of play...
Usually nobody will change neck shape. We can change action, string spacing at nut, nut material...
2014 Otto Vowinkel Concert 650, 2012 Córdoba C9 650, 2013 Córdoba C9 650
2015 Paulino Bernabe Torres 645
2015 Juan Hernandez Torres 640, 1986 Sweet Tone 640
2016 German V. Rubio Concert 635, 2016 German V. Rubio Estudio 635
2015 Kenny Hill Performance 630

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:39 pm

nmshu1 wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:41 pm
My Córdoba C9 650, Juan Hernandez Torres 640, Otto Vowinkel 650...... are F1-21mm. For my small hand, thinner neck is easier to play... Neck shape is also important to ease of play...
Usually nobody will change neck shape. We can change action, string spacing at nut, nut material...
Interesting...seems that some smaller hands prefer thinner necks. The 5 Hauser guitars in Sheldon Urlick's book are all either F1 20.5mm or 21mm. Segovia's Hauser is F1 21mm...so even big hands can be fine with a thinner neck; although perhaps one has to be a "Master"? :mrgreen:
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by nmshu1 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:24 pm

Beowulf wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:39 pm
nmshu1 wrote:
Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:41 pm
My Córdoba C9 650, Juan Hernandez Torres 640, Otto Vowinkel 650...... are F1-21mm. For my small hand, thinner neck is easier to play... Neck shape is also important to ease of play...
Usually nobody will change neck shape. We can change action, string spacing at nut, nut material...
Interesting...seems that some smaller hands prefer thinner necks. The 5 Hauser guitars in Sheldon Urlick's book are all either F1 20.5mm or 21mm. Segovia's Hauser is F1 21mm...so even big hands can be fine with a thinner neck; although perhaps one has to be a "Master"? :mrgreen:
Usually "Small is beautiful". The smaller guitar sometimes can help you play easily. But not always. Especially when you play at 12th fret and upper...
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2015 Paulino Bernabe Torres 645
2015 Juan Hernandez Torres 640, 1986 Sweet Tone 640
2016 German V. Rubio Concert 635, 2016 German V. Rubio Estudio 635
2015 Kenny Hill Performance 630

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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by Beowulf » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:01 am

nmshu1 wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:24 pm
Usually "Small is beautiful". The smaller guitar sometimes can help you play easily. But not always. Especially when you play at 12th fret and upper...
Yes, I can see that size will have much less advantage in the upper reaches of the fret board. The reduced scale and neck thickness has been exactly what I was hoping for and I think will help my playing to move to another level...or at least hold fast as I age "gracefully". :ouioui:
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Re: Yamaha GC82S

Post by nmshu1 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:32 am

Beowulf wrote:
Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:01 am
nmshu1 wrote:
Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:24 pm
Usually "Small is beautiful". The smaller guitar sometimes can help you play easily. But not always. Especially when you play at 12th fret and upper...
Yes, I can see that size will have much less advantage in the upper reaches of the fret board. The reduced scale and neck thickness has been exactly what I was hoping for and I think will help my playing to move to another level...or at least hold fast as I age "gracefully". :ouioui:
And the resonant and projection of 650 is usually better than short scale length (traditional fan patterns)...
2014 Otto Vowinkel Concert 650, 2012 Córdoba C9 650, 2013 Córdoba C9 650
2015 Paulino Bernabe Torres 645
2015 Juan Hernandez Torres 640, 1986 Sweet Tone 640
2016 German V. Rubio Concert 635, 2016 German V. Rubio Estudio 635
2015 Kenny Hill Performance 630

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