Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by riffmeister » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:40 pm

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by eno » Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:58 pm

I think most people play Baroque music not just for "tradition's sake" but primarily because it is beautiful. For the same reason they play contemporary non-traditional music too.
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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by Christopher Langley » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:10 pm

I'm all for change,

but at the same time.. if it works, it works

and if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by gitgeezer » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:20 pm

Rick Beauregard wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:53 pm
Wuuthrad wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:17 am
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I think this picture speaks for itself no?
If you said IV you are wrong. Every watch or clock with Roman Numerals uses IIII for the number 4. Its tradition I guess.
This statement surprised me, so I searched on "roman numerals on clock images." Both IIII and IV were used, with somewhat more than half using IV.

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by John Oster » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:27 pm

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by CarbonElitist » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:22 pm

gitgeezer wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:20 pm
Rick Beauregard wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:53 pm
Wuuthrad wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:17 am
IMG_8011.JPG

I think this picture speaks for itself no?
If you said IV you are wrong. Every watch or clock with Roman Numerals uses IIII for the number 4. Its tradition I guess.
This statement surprised me, so I searched on "roman numerals on clock images." Both IIII and IV were used, with somewhat more than half using IV.
I'm surprised as well. I've never even heard of 4 being represented as IIII.
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Post by celestemcc » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:55 pm

free browser extension called FB Purity
Seconding this! Makes the cesspool that is FB much, much more bearable!! Easy to use, free, won't hurt your computer.
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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by MartinCogg » Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:08 am

CarbonElitist wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:22 pm
gitgeezer wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:20 pm
Rick Beauregard wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:53 pm


If you said IV you are wrong. Every watch or clock with Roman Numerals uses IIII for the number 4. Its tradition I guess.
This statement surprised me, so I searched on "roman numerals on clock images." Both IIII and IV were used, with somewhat more than half using IV.
I'm surprised as well. I've never even heard of 4 being represented as IIII.
I think I only really noticed IIII properly when I started working through facsimile Vihuela books... on clocks, I'd never
given it a second thought...

Looking at the TWO clocks on the mantlepiece before me... one has IIII (a proper, oldish, wind-up (clockwork), chiming-on-the-hour clock),
the other has it as IV - went to look at the kitchen clock (clockface of which I'd actually made and painted meself) and I'd made it a IV...

so according to my thus-far research it's two-thirds of roman numeral style clock-faces use IV :!:

I'm now thinking of over-painting one of those V's on the kitchen clock and adding some I's....

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by cefyn » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:57 pm

The whole analogue versus digital clocks & watches reminded me of this great clip from the late, great Dave Allen.

Worth watching, if you have 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by CarbonElitist » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:14 pm

cefyn wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:57 pm
The whole analogue versus digital clocks & watches reminded me of this great clip from the late, great Dave Allen.

Worth watching, if you have 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QVPUIRGthI

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hahaha, that sounds exactly how my old man explained things to me. I'm afraid I was one of those kids that took everything literally.
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Post by MessyTendon » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:20 pm

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by MartinCogg » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:40 pm

MartinCogg wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:08 am
CarbonElitist wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:22 pm
gitgeezer wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:20 pm

This statement surprised me, so I searched on "roman numerals on clock images." Both IIII and IV were used, with somewhat more than half using IV.
I'm surprised as well. I've never even heard of 4 being represented as IIII.
I think I only really noticed IIII properly when I started working through facsimile Vihuela books... on clocks, I'd never
given it a second thought...

Looking at the TWO clocks on the mantlepiece before me... one has IIII (a proper, oldish, wind-up (clockwork), chiming-on-the-hour clock),
the other has it as IV - went to look at the kitchen clock (clockface of which I'd actually made and painted meself) and I'd made it a IV...

so according to my thus-far research it's two-thirds of roman numeral style clock-faces use IV :!:

I'm now thinking of over-painting one of those V's on the kitchen clock and adding some I's....
Today I took a peak at my sundial - it starts (rather optimistically) with potential to register 4 am and ends with a marking
for 8 pm.... most curiously, 4 am gets a IV, whilst 4 pm gets the IIII :?

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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by jscott » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:05 am

Bach was forgotten for 300 years; it took a later remembering to make him 'traditional' by bringing him into the repertoire. Traditions are always being forgotten and then re invented (and not strictly remembered) at a later time. Moreover, any contemporary work of any heft will always be engaged in a dialogue with tradition.

I'm reading a book right now that studies the near contemporary philosopher Gadamer's deep indebtedness to Augustine in terms of the development of his (Gadamer's) method. In this Gadamer dusts off long forgotten parts of Augustine's writings and gives them new freshness and meaning--even makes him innovative in terms of contemporary philosophy.

Contrast this with the alternations of fashion, which is where pop music lives.

That said, Martin really needs to get a new time piece!
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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by Peter Lovett » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:29 am

Go on...............find north using your fancy digital watch. Not the applications that you can get with things like an Apple watch, just the numbers, go on, let's see you do it. :chaud:
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Re: Tradition for "tradition's sake" is illogical and banal.

Post by sleeper2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 1:18 pm

What happens when computer generated music is perfect in every way? Will you put down your guitar? I think there some sense of satisfaction in achieving goals. Will artificial intelligence just take over our lives while we vegetate?

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