Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by petermc61 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:33 pm

I had a very early Guitarlift, so maybe they have changed, but mine were electrostatic like a sheet of Kling-On. No glue involved. If you are worried you could buy some clear sheet from a third party specialist supplier (Oasis for example) made for FP and cut your own backing sheets.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:43 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:33 pm
I had a very early Guitarlift, so maybe they have changed, but mine were electrostatic like a sheet of Kling-On. No glue involved. If you are worried you could buy some clear sheet from a third party specialist supplier (Oasis for example) made for FP and cut your own backing sheets.
That's a good idea, I'll try that. Thanks for the suggestion!

The new GuitarLift instructions show a picture of a person peeling the back of the circular dot. I peeled one back a little and it is indeed sticky, so I think there is some adhesive on it.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:37 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:33 pm
I had a very early Guitarlift, so maybe they have changed, but mine were electrostatic like a sheet of Kling-On. No glue involved. If you are worried you could buy some clear sheet from a third party specialist supplier (Oasis for example) made for FP and cut your own backing sheets.
Do I just buy some Grafix cling sheets? Same stuff?

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by petermc61 » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:12 pm

No idea. I have used the Kling-on (available from SBM) and the Finishield (from DeOro) successfully. However, I tend to just use suction cups straight onto the finished wood.

Two caveats - I don’t leave suction cups affixed to an instrument for days or weeks. I take them off when not playing. Secondly, I am careful to keep a close eye on the finish with new instruments (say the first six months).

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:28 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:12 pm
No idea. I have used the Kling-on (available from SBM) and the Finishield (from DeOro) successfully. However, I tend to just use suction cups straight onto the finished wood.

Two caveats - I don’t leave suction cups affixed to an instrument for days or weeks. I take them off when not playing. Secondly, I am careful to keep a close eye on the finish with new instruments (say the first six months).
Thank Peter, I'll give the Finishield a try. At this point, the suction cups don't stay on more than a few minutes, no risk of them being on for days and weeks! ;-) Someone said to breathe on the suction cups, that seems to help a little but they still fall off too quickly.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:27 pm

larryguitar wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:28 pm
petermc61 wrote:
Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:12 pm
No idea. I have used the Kling-on (available from SBM) and the Finishield (from DeOro) successfully. However, I tend to just use suction cups straight onto the finished wood.

Two caveats - I don’t leave suction cups affixed to an instrument for days or weeks. I take them off when not playing. Secondly, I am careful to keep a close eye on the finish with new instruments (say the first six months).
Thank Peter, I'll give the Finishield a try. At this point, the suction cups don't stay on more than a few minutes, no risk of them being on for days and weeks! ;-) Someone said to breathe on the suction cups, that seems to help a little but they still fall off too quickly.
Hello Peter,

Well, I heard from Felix, and he said that the static cling sheets will not work with the suction cups. Has that been your experience?

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by petermc61 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:53 pm

Can you remind me who Felix is? Which specific sheet are you referring to?

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:03 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:53 pm
Can you remind me who Felix is? Which specific sheet are you referring to?
Felix is the inventor of the GuitarLift. He said the FiniShield would not work to hold the GuitarLift, although I don't know if he has firsthand knowledge of that fact.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by petermc61 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:36 pm

If I don’t forget I’ll try that combination in the next day or so and report back.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by guitarguy » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:08 am

As mentioned in a previous related post I can't recommend using the pads that come with the Guitarlift. They pealed off some of the French polish of my Antonio Marin's back (obviously not him, but the guitar). I had to get this repolished by my luthier, which was a nuisance.

In the meantime I went back to the Barnett support. It is just easier to transport than the Guitarlift as it is so much smaller.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:21 pm

guitarguy wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:08 am
As mentioned in a previous related post I can't recommend using the pads that come with the Guitarlift. They pealed off some of the French polish of my Antonio Marin's back (obviously not him, but the guitar). I had to get this repolished by my luthier, which was a nuisance.

In the meantime I went back to the Barnett support. It is just easier to transport than the Guitarlift as it is so much smaller.
Thanks for mentioning this again as I have a beautiful 2012 Cedar/Indian Marin and I can't bear the thought of sticking those foils on the back. I'll just have to see if I can get the static cling sheets to work. If not, I'll have to send it back or sell it. It's too bad because I think I could get along with this support after trying so many others.

I used a Barnett support for quite a while but I couldn't install it myself because my hands are so large and my wife balked at installing it on each new guitar, so I gave up. It was just too stressful to set up.

P.S. I see by your profile you're an IT manager. I'm a long time programmer, working on iPhone/iOS apps for the last eight years. If you need an iOS programmer... ;-) Sorry, this is off topic...haha

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by petermc61 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:32 am

Larry

An update:

I stuck the support directly to a new French Polished instrument. Worked fine. No polish issues.

Tried using the Finishield. I only had two pieces (not the four required to do the Guitarlift at all points of contact). I applied them to the guitar in the upper suction cup positions then fitted the Guitarlift. Following this I played the guitar for 30 minutes, with no problem. I then put the guitar aside for 4 hours and came back and played the guitar again, with no problems. I then put it aside and came back in the morning to check on it and the Guitarlift had fallen off.

Not sure if you view this as a problem or evidence that the Finishield sheets work (well, for the duration of a single playing session). I can’t help you regarding a decision but that is my recent experience.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:40 pm

petermc61 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:32 am
Larry

An update:

I stuck the support directly to a new French Polished instrument. Worked fine. No polish issues.

Tried using the Finishield. I only had two pieces (not the four required to do the Guitarlift at all points of contact). I applied them to the guitar in the upper suction cup positions then fitted the Guitarlift. Following this I played the guitar for 30 minutes, with no problem. I then put the guitar aside for 4 hours and came back and played the guitar again, with no problems. I then put it aside and came back in the morning to check on it and the Guitarlift had fallen off.

Not sure if you view this as a problem or evidence that the Finishield sheets work (well, for the duration of a single playing session). I can’t help you regarding a decision but that is my recent experience.

Regards
Peter
Hello Peter,

Thanks for taking the time to do this for me. I’m fine with the suction cups just lasting through a thirty minute playing session. I’m waiting for the FiniShield to be delivered and will report my results.

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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by Intune » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:07 pm

petermc61 wrote:
I stuck the support directly to a new French Polished instrument. Worked fine. No polish issues.
Glad to hear that...but, frankly, I would be reluctant to put suction cups on a new french polished surface. Fully cured french polish would be another matter, of course. I believe that a french-polished shellac finish needs to cure (or "gas off," as some say) for 6 months or so before it's hard enough to handle suction cups. Yes, the cups might stick well enough before then, but they also might mar the soft uncured shellac. Better to use a Dynarette cushion or something else for the first half-year of a new french-polished guitar's life, then switch to a Guitarlift when you're satisfied that the finish has cured and hardened.
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Re: Guitarlift users: how do you attach your lift?

Post by larryguitar » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:51 pm

I just tried out the static held FiniSHIELD pieces with the GuitarLift and the holding power is much improved over the suction cups on French polished wood. As a matter of fact, the GuitarLift hasn't slipped in two playing sessions. I don't play for hours, more like thirty minutes at a time, but still, it is much better than before when the support was falling off after just a few minutes.

It's actually kind of difficult to get the suction cups off of the FiniSHIELD pieces, one in particular seems to get pulled up so there is an air bubble under it. You can always peel back the FiniSHIELD piece and smooth it down again to get rid of the air bubbles. I have more pieces so I can cut another square and replace it.

My Marin is from 2012, I've never owned a guitar that has been newly French polished. Peter is one lucky guy. ;-)

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