Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

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wil weten
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Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by wil weten » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:22 am

On my 63 cm scale cedar soundboard guitar, I've been using Savarez Alliance HT Classic, tension forte, long play, set 540 J, trebles alliance, basses HT Classic.
I prefer the sound of carbon strings above the Savarez carte rouge nylon strings I had before. I prefer a sound brighter than nylon, that's why I chose for carbon.

I'd like to find a solution for the carbon 541 J E-1 string that sounds a bit thin and a bit piercing to me.

What would be your strategy to find a fuller sounding highest string for my guitar? Perhaps you could even advise me a nice set of strings with smooth feeling bass strings and melody strings which sound both clear and pretty warm?

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by petermc61 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:35 am

You need to look at other brands. Savarez make great bass strings (particularly the Cantiga) but I have never been taken by any of their treble strings.

Try, in order of increasing brightness:
- brighter nylon trebles e.g. Mari 100p or Augustine Regal
- Dogal Diamanté (go for strong tension)
- sweeter brands of carbons, eg Knobloch

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by Zen » Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:14 pm

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by Gorn » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:39 pm

I have a Manuel Rodríguez FF cutaway with dominating basses and weak trebles. I tried the trebles of the Savarez 500 ARJ set, which pruduced a better dynamic balance than nylons, but not a good sound. After that, I tried a treble set of CARBON LINE Rot (red = High Tension) together with cheap but good basses (OEM brand of RC strings RC10 / HT) and now it's perfectly balanced. Especially e1 is very assertive without the "plastic" sound of some brands. As a matter of fact, it's the loudest e1 I've ever heard on that guitar.
I don't know where you live: CARBON LINE is available at Schneidermusik, Germany or maybe you could ask the manufacturer where to get it in your country: https://www.kuerschner-saiten.de/

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by wil weten » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:29 am

Thanks all for your kind and informative replies. A lot of food for thought (and experiments).

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by Dofpic » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:19 pm

I do not think you will find a high E carbon string that is not thin and piecing. I have tried them all and have not found one,
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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by MessyTendon » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:56 pm

The Aquila Zaffiro is a good compromise...not quite carbon, not quite nylon sound, most definately brighter and the basses are warmer than most.

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by Christopher Langley » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:12 pm

There is a reason why a lot of guys use carbon g's but not b's or e's. I think it's a common problem with the carbon strings. I expect lots of experimentation in your future.

Peter's recommendations are always a good starting place.
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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by Scott Phillips » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:50 am

I use Mari 100P B and E strings, Knobloch carbon G, and Savarez Cantiga basses. I find the Alliance B and E to be a little shrill. I also find the Cantiga basses to be more to my taste than the Savarez HT classic basses, although I still use those once in awhile, as I have a few sets of those left, but I find the Cantiga to be far superior, generally, with more punch, and brightness.

The only way you will know which sets are best is to try them. I would stay with HT because of the short scale, so you might want to try the Mari 200ph. You don’t want your strings to feel like noodles😬

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by Les Backshall » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:00 pm

Quite a few strings have been mentioned and it would be costly to try them all. So could I suggest you look at the gauges initially.
A thicker string of the same type will give you a less bright sound in general, but will have a higher tension. If you're comfortable with it, a low tension B string could be used, especially on a shorter scale instrument.
Otherwise have a look at the E strings of the different brands mentioned to narrow it down; for example, your Savarez 540 E is 025, Knobloch 023, Dogal (mixed carbon/nylon) 030.
That's quite a range, and may give you an idea where to start.

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Re: Looking for string with fuller sounding E-1

Post by JohnB » Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:14 pm

I've the Knobloch CX Medium Tension top E has a much warmer characteristic than most carbon strings - well worth a try.
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